PT111 MilPro again

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I know that Taurus handguns have their share of detractors, and much of the criticism has been deserved, to varying degrees, over the years. That said, and not wishing to re-hash that territory, I have found at least two Taurus handguns upon which I would stake my life.

The first one is a Taurus PT92 AF that on one occasion did indeed assist me in extricating myself from a very nasty situation. Foolishly I sold that gun only to, years later, as penance for my foolishness, find and refinish an identical pistol in dire need of cosmetic help. That pistol, now wearing a GunKote finish on the slide and barrel and outstanding Uncle Mike’s grips, continues to serve me well on a limited basis.

The pistol that I am primarily writing about is a Taurus PT111 Millennium Pro 12+1 capacity. I acquired a used second generation pistol some seven years ago for the princely sum of $219. This was the version that had the DAO trigger with no re-strike. At the time I wasn’t sure what to make of it but when I took it to the range the gun suited me amazingly well. The ergonomics were excellent and the gun perfectly reliable. The thing that really stood out was the accuracy which was startlingly good considering the trigger type. Slow fire and rapid fire at combat distances produced nice groups right over the ten ring. The gun served me on a daily basis for just over two years. Then, again foolishly, especially considering what I paid for the gun, I traded it away. Stupid, stupid, but sometimes other things catch our eye and we make mistakes. I’ve made my share over the past thirty-five years of shooting.

Before and since that PT111 Milpro I have and do own a lot of nice guns. SIG, HK, Walther, Beretta, Steyr, CZ, S&W, you get the idea. Despite having a stable with what most would consider desirable pedigrees, since disposing of the MilPro it has been the one gun that I couldn’t get out of my mind. So, I decided the next PT111 second generation pistol that I saw locally I would acquire. Surprisingly that took a good while and it was only last month that I ran across the right gun, and for just a few dollars more than I paid for the first one. Well, almost the right gun. Once I brought it home it realized it was the third generation gun with the DAO trigger with re-strike. While I loved the trigger on my former gun the newer trigger is actually much better, lighter, crisper, with a very short reset and re-strike. As highly as I regarded my first PT111, this one is a bell-ringer. It has a little holster wear, which doesn’t at all concern me, and the frame and internals are in near 100% condition. It came home as dirty as a pig, and that is how I like them.

First trip to the range the gun shot 100% reliable through 100 rounds of Georgia Arms 124 grain FMJ. I will test it with hollow points but that isn't so important as I use PowRBall. I was shooting at the seven yard mark and accuracy was even better than my first gun firing as fast as the range officer would allow, over maybe three inches. I was shooting more for reliability and could have probably squeezed out better performance with more effort. Nonetheless, the gun sang topping the performance of the one from years ago. When I look at the gun, sort of old school styling and high bore axis, I think that is shouldn’t shoot nearly as well as it does, but recoil is minimal, reliability is perfect, and accuracy exceeds my expectations.

For years the MilPro was painted by the same broad brush as the first non-Pro Millenniums that were prone to frame cracking. If it is the newer MilPro and you are looking for an excellent 9mm budget gun, you can’t go wrong with a PT111 Millennium Pro. I would add that the new G2 is reportedly a good performer, but it seems to be more of a version of the 24/7 than anything else, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

Sorry to be so long winded, but I think that some guns need to get the credit that they deserve especially when they are often overlooked for one reason or another.
 
I've thought about getting a PT-111. I have a PT-145 and it's very reliable. I would like the same gun in 9mm. I like their internal lock system better than many other systems, and I do use the ILS now and then, as I have kids and there are scenarios where it's necessary.

I really like the 145, other than the fact that I'm getting some fouling in the barrel. I shoot 9mm more accurately than .45.
 
Jim, if you like the PT145 the PT111 is a no-brainer.

BTW, a nice little bonus is that when I traded my first PT111 I forgot to include the factory case, which I now have found. The case itself isn't such a big thing, but my current PT111 and a new TCP 380 didn't come with the ILS keys which I found in the old box. I don't use the ILS on either gun, but I sure want to have the keys.

On another note, I have heard reports of the ILS on Smiths engaging unintentionally on rare occasions. Has this been reported with Taurus?
 
Storm, nice write-up on the MilPro Gen3 and IMO it is an under-rated CC pistol and it is a shame Taurus stopped manufacturing the line as it is a perfect high capacity CC pistol.
 
I've had a PT-111 for over 15 years. It was my off-duty gun when I was an LEO. The only things I dislike about it are the manual safety and the fact that when fully loaded, the rounds rattle in the magazine. But downloading by one solves that problem.
 
I love the PT111 I bought a few years ago
The sights take a little getting used to, but not too bad
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Storm

I had a PT111 MilPro Gen.3 some years ago but never really took a liking to it. The trigger was fine, the gun functioned perfectly, and I liked the manual safety; it's just that the gun never felt right in my hand. It was like the grip was too straight up and down and I always had to make an adjustment while trying to acquire the sights. Eventually I sold it and a few years ago pretty much replaced it when I bought a Ruger SR9c. Still I think the PT111 is a good gun for the money and hope you have continued success with yours.
 
The PT92 is a good gun. Some even like it better than the Beretta on account of the safety location. For all the complaining about Taurus pistols, that particular model is rarely mentioned. I have had two, and while I sold them both when I needed a little spare cash, I like them well enough that I am buying one of them back in a month or two from the guy I sold it to.

Also, I have a Taurus 605, and while it is a revolver and not an autoloader, I have carried that gun for years and I absolutely would stake my life on it. I know Bikerdoc likes that model as well. I have traded it back and forth with my best friend a few timesover the years, and the last time I got it back is the last time I will trade it.
 
I have both an older non-decocker PT-92 and a 3rd generation PT-111 Pro. Both have been absolutely reliable. I bought the PT-92 new back in 1989 and have over 15,000 rounds through it...never a malfunction...not one. I bought the PT-111 new a few years ago and while it doesn't have the high round count of the PT-92, I would trust my life to it.

Some may also know that Sig P226 magazines fit and function fine in the PT-111...even makes it easier to hold onto as the sig magazines extend below the grip a bit. I bought a Mec-Gar 18 round version (P226) which functions perfectly...and makes the little PT-111 pretty formidable.
 
I really liked the grip on the pt111 pro. what I did not like is that the gun is TOP HEAVY with a high bore axis and the long spongy trigger.
 
How does one tell the generations apart and what was "wrong" with each?

How much price difference for each on the used market given same condition?

Can a generation 1 or 2 be upgraded? Are parts available for Gen 1 & 2? Do they all use the same magazines?

hey, I'm just asking.

-kBob
 
kBob, here is what I know about the three different generations that I have picked up from a number of different forums.

1st gen: DAO trigger with frame cracking issues. Guns are stamped "Millennium" without any "Pro" designation.

2nd gen: The Millennium is re-released as the "Millennium Pro" with several changes. The frame cracking issue has been resolved. The gun is somewhat thicker. The gun is stamped "Millennium Pro" on the left side of the slide. The frame has changed with a textured grip and raised stippling on front and back of grip. The trigger is still DAO but is now improved lighter and smoother. The first gen mags are no longer compatible with the 2nd gen (possibly due to a changed grip angle or thickness). Polymer frame pins are replaced with steel pins.

3rd gen: The trigger is now SA/DA with re-strike capability if the gun doesn't go bang. The trigger is again very much improved, very light and crisp and still safe for carry. Finger index indents (memory pads) are added to the frame, a feature that I like. The screwed in sights are replaced with dove-tailed with Heinie Straight 8 sights. Same mags for second and third gen which will be stamped "Pro". The left side of the frame is only stamped "Millennium" and the "Pro" stamp is moved to the right side up by the muzzle.

There may be other changes along the way but those are the ones that I am aware of.
 
Well it is rare not to see Taurus bashed in most of these gun groups. However I've been convinced they are excellent as well as Rossi Rifles since the first one I purchased 8 years ago.

I own 4 Taurus pistols with my wife carrying the PT 111 Pro Gen 3 as her gun after taking it from me and was the first I purchased. I would make a conservative guess that it has fired 6000 rounds of every thing I could find to fire through it without a single issue due to the gun. I also have a PT 92 and love it especially for a range test gun for my 9mm reloads. I also have a PT 911 very similar in design to the PT 92 and the Raging Bull 454 Casull, stainless with 6.5" barrel. I actually just recently bought the Casull and got to fire it yesterday. I fired flawlessly as I've come to expect from Taurus guns in general. I might add it was very accurate also.

I also have a Rossi M92 in 45 Colt and a Rossi Rio Grande in 45-70. The Rio Grande is one of the best finished guns inside and out I've owned in 50 years of owning guns, a lot of them. I do own a few other guns but these by far are my favorites.

Oh and they now making a Gen 4 version which they used some of the features on the 24/7 added to the Mill Pro.
 
Jim, if you like the PT145 the PT111 is a no-brainer.

I agree. PT-111's are kind of hard to find, though. The 9mm ammo shortage was also a 9mm gun shortage at first...until people stopped buying the pistols until ammo becomes more available. A couple of months ago, 9mm guns started becoming more common at stores. But some models - like the PT-11 or some CZ models - are still hard to find.

Also, I've been feeding my S&W revo addiction, so funds are scarce :). Hopefully, by the time I can afford one, they'll be more plentiful.
 
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