Ptr 91/hk G3 Opinions

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Does anyone out there have any good advice or comments on the PTR 91 line of rifles? I have been interested in these for a few years and am considering purchasing one of the variants of this HK clone. I would appreciate any insight on what model if any is a good buy. Any input on their quality and reliability would be a great help also.

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The PTR is a very good quality 'clone'... made on original H&K machinery, with many H&K internal parts.

The only complaint I have about my PTR91 is that ammo is too darned expensive.

You'll get complaints that the safety selector and magazine release are not ergonomically located... they're right, but it's not that big of a deal.

You'll also see people note that they're nose heavy, that the stock is uncomfortable, the charging handle is poorly located, and that recoil is more severe than other .308's. I disagree. I find the rifle fits me well, and I'm much more comfortable shooting it than I am with an M1a or a Fal. (AR10's work just as well for me, with the right stock).

The H&K design throws brass hard... and the fluted chamber does some damage... reloading for the PTR could be problematic.

With all that said, I've fired M1a's, FAL's, AR10's, Saiga .308's, and H&K91's... I selected the PTR as the one ".308 battle style rifle" that I liked best. I'm very happy with my choice. It's a good quality, dead reliable rifle.
 
i have 2 G3's that i have built from kits,,,,they are for me the battle rifle of choice,,,i like them,, they fit me well and i don't have a problem with making them work

mine will not be going anywhere

ocharry
 
FAL guy here.

The PTR91 is a very nice rifle.

Do remember, the G-3, CETME, PTR-91 class of rifles use a FLUTED CHAMBER, and a delayed-blowback mechanism. This usually puts a hurting on your brass unlike any other gun. In many cases, the harsh treatment of the brass is so severe that only military-type ammo can be used. Commecial .308 ammo is famous for the thin-walled commercial .308 shell case being ripped apart by the delayed-blowback mechanism.

There has been some discussion on other boards that PTR may be using barrels with more-shallow flutes. I don't know whether this description is accurate. More-shallow flutes might help with the rip-the-case issue, but it raises some questions as to whether it comes with a compromise as to the reliability of the mechanism when it becomes dirty. With the price of ammo these days, this complaint may be heard less, as it becomes too expensive to fire the gun until it is dirty enough to malfunction from shallow chamber flutes.

You could have a FAL for the same price.
No chamber flutes.
Adjustable gas system.
Equivalent accuracy.
Simpler scope mounting.
 
The PTR's have 10 flutes, whereas the HK's used 12 flutes. As to which ones are deeper, I don't know. The flute marks on the brass from the 2 rifles look similar though.

Any damage that happens to the brass can be pressed out when it is reloaded. The majority of the problem is cosmetic. The brass itself is not actually damaged significantly.

I reload regular .308WIN brass for my PTR. So far I have not had any failures due to the brass being torn apart, even using "soft" Federal brass. I have read in many places that numerous people have concerns that it could happen, but I've yet to see a single malfunction due to this phenomenon. Case head separation is more common in the M1, M1A, and AR platforms in my experience.
 
I shoot Wolf steel-case commercial (ie: non-corrosive) ammo in my PTR-91, and I don't bother to reload for it. I don't know about 10 flutes vs 12 flutes nor about flute depth, but I can tell you the PTR-91 is 100% reliable. Not only that, it cycles very fast. My last time shooting it, just for grins, I emptied a 20-round magazine as fast as I could pull the trigger. It was like firing full auto on a slow-firing auto (eg: Tommie gun). This gun is so much fun to shoot, I'm going to go broke buying ammo for it.

One advantage of using Wolf ammo in the PTR-91 (besides price) is there's no gas system to clean after a range session. Wolf is dirty stuff to shoot, and, yes, it does take some effort to clean the bolt head and roller assembly. But it's a lot quicker and easier to clean than the gas system on my Dragunov (actually a ROMAK 3, which uses the Kalashnikov gas piston system).

I don't have a FAL (yet), so I can't comment on how difficult its gas system would be to clean in comparison with the PTR-91. But I am one happy camper.
 
I love my PTR91. I have a port buffer to minimize damage caused to the brass upon ejection. Without the buffer, the brass from my rifle is very mangled, if I can find it.

I disagree that the FAL and the PTR91 have similar accuracy, as this does not comport with my experience of owning only one of each. The PTR is much more accurate than my original FN G1.

I further disagree that the FAL is easier to scope. The claw mount for the G3 series of rifles is the best setup of its sort, in my experience.

YMMV.
 
I have an HK-91 and a PTR-91. The PTR-91 is outstanding. Like any HK-91, send the trigger group off to Williams or Bill Springfield. With the heavy 18" barrel, you will have a good shooter.
 
The PTR is a rugged and reliable rifle. No complaint on that point. The sights are not as good as those on the M1A, but are far better than the average AK and likely a bit tougher than the M1A sights. The magazines are plentiful and cheap. I think they are still less than $5 each.

I think the length of pull is too short and the recoil is harsh. My M1A is a much smoother shooting rifle. I got hold of a stock extension/recoil pad that helps with the length of pull a lot.

My PTR has a fairly short bull barrel with no flash hider. I have not been disappointed in the accuracy at all. The cost of scoping it right is probably a wash between the M1A and PTR.
 
Thanks for the input !!!!

thanks to evryone for their input! i will probably purchase a base model ptr with 18 in barrel to get started. i have had hk and century clones in the past , but it was along time ago. ptr sounds good for the prices i'm seeing. although now i'm checking into fn/fal's, as i've never had one. i suppose i'll have to start a fal savings stash now.. oh well ! again thanks for the input !!
 
Here is a nice thread where I asked about the PTR 91 as well. I can't wait to get mine either, next month if all goes well.
 
I had a Vector G3K3 clone and it felt like it had worse ergonomics than an AKM. Recoil was on par with a bolt rifle and the blowback system felt like crap compared to a gas piston rifle.

I seriously consider a FAL or M1A purchase before getting another HK91 copy.
 
I have a very high regard for H&K and PTR rifles.
Because of the price on used H&Ks being quite high and the few new in the box examples being priced to the point they are investment firearms and should not really be contemplated as shooting examples any longer, the PTR offerings are the real way to go now.
If you want a G3 type rifle these are your two real choices.
Everything else is just for looking at.
Some of the other offerings may actually become dangerous to fire after relatively few rounds have been fired..
 
Dont wanna sound like a broken record, but what are the price differences on FALs and G3s?
 
boys i got to tell ya that if you have one of these rifles and you are saying that the recoil is harsh ,,,i believe something is wrong,,,,out of spec or on the verge of being out of spec,,,,

the 2 examples i have are very soft recoilers(is that a word),,,,most people that shoot the 2 i have don't believe me when i tell them that they are 308......

i have heard guys say that before and i don't get it

you can reload for them,,,i use mil spec brass,,,,and when i can find the spent brass from my rifles i will(after careful inspection) reload it once more,,,,these rifles are hard on brass

both of my rifles were built from G3 kits with PTR compliance parts,,,,receiver,,trigger,,hammer,,,,and others as needed,,,and they have Bill Springfield trigger jobs,,,,he does a pretty decent job for the money

i did a lot of homework before i built these guns.....

if you get a new PTR i don't think you will be sorry,,,,except maybe for the price of ammo,,,,,,,i been looking at building one in 243...i bet that would be a hoot,,,,,,,,,,,,,,my .02

ocharry
 
I just got a PTR 91 and just love it. I paid book price because any black rifle is flying off the shelves now, they will not even consider dropping their price. I can't say as though I blame them.

Man is this thing rough on brass! I am lucky to recover 75% of what I shoot and most of it is pretty "dinged" up. To have one of these I think you have to reload or be rich. Pumping out 60 rounds is fun and effortless, it is also expensive.

Does anybody have any good links for accessories such as rails? Are G-3 accessories generally easy to fit?

Thanks
 
I loved my PTR. it never jammed on me, no matter what I fed it. it was also incredibly accurate.

however, they are slightly heaver than both FAL's, and AR-10's. they are about the same as comparable M1A's. the PTR-91 is heaver than the HK due to a thicker barrel, which I personally dont like.

the charging handle can be hard to pop out in a stressful situation, but not too bad. the other ergonomics worked just fine for me, I dunno why people bitch.

honestly I only have one problem with G3 rifles like the HK, Cetme, and PTR. NO CHROME LINED BARREL. PTR rates their barrel life for about 10,000 rounds before you start loosing accuracy. thats like 5000$ worth of ammo, but still. HK hamer forged barrels should give you longer than that.

FALS and AR10's both have chrome lined options. for a battle rifle/SHTF rifle go chrome or go home. for a DMR rifle to suplement an AK/AR, unlined would likely be more desirable.
 
Chrome lined barrels are necessary if you are shooting a lot of corrosive ammo, but IMHO, that's about it.

Chrome-lined Bbl's have never been noted for accuracy.

As far as round counts on Bbl's, 10,000 is about what you will get for any centerfire rifle cartridge. Even chrome-lined Bbl's.
 
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