question about ccw permit reciprocity

[Revolver Ocelot]

I'm going to visit my hometown of st. louis while I am on r&r but was wondering, though I see missouri recognizes alaska residents right to carry but alaska requires no permit. I have been told that your alaska state i.d. will suffice, is this true? I know I could get a permit made but I fear I would not be able to get it in time before I go overseas.

 

[bhk]

I live in Missouri and our state recognizes all other PERMITS. I really don't think your ID will suffice, as it is not a ccw permit. I thought Alaska also offered its residents a permit (if they desire) for the very circumstance you are writing about (traveling out of state). Missouri, though, does allow you to carry a loaded handgun concealed within a vehicle without a permit.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Your Alaska driver's license is a license to drive, not to carry a gun. Anybody who is legal to possess a gun can carry it openly or concealed in Alaska without having any permit or license, including not having an Alaska driver's license.

Missouri only recognizes other states' licenses to carry guns.

Missouri does recognize all other states' driver's license....but only to drive.

 

[Revolver Ocelot]

I thought this was the case but wanted to makesure as it was listed on the internet that because alaska didn't require a permit missouri didn't expect alaska residents to have one, ofcourse being the internet you can't always expect it to be reliable.

I thought Alaska also offered its residents a permit (if they desire)

yes they do, however up until a week or so ago there was a standing lawful order saying soldiers under alaskas command could not carry a weapon, so I wasn't gonna bother with it.

 

[Yoda]

If you have time, ...

Get a Flordia or Utah CCW license. I believe Missouri recognizes both, and neither require that you be a residentg of their state.

- - - Yoda

 

[wishin]

I think you'll find that the basis for establishing reciprocity is predicated on the recognizing States having the same or very similar standards for CCW permit/license issuance.

 

[bhk]

Missouri recognizes all out-of-state permits, period.

 

[Revolver Ocelot]

I know they recognize alaska's right to carry, I was just told that because within the state of alaska they don't require a permit that missouri will accept a state liscense as proof that you are permitted to carry in the state of alaska and subsequently missouri as well. I wanted to confirm this before I did it for fear of the obvious legal ramifications if I was wrong as unfortunately I am not sure I have the time to get the permit from alaska before I leave.

 

[Quiet]

Alaska still issues CCW permits. You will need to get an AK CCW permit, if you intent on legally carrying in other states that honors AK.
This is the same for Arizona.

AK DPS conceal carry reciprocity website.

The following states recognize valid Alaska concealed handgun permits:
16. Missouri

 

[NavyLCDR]

More importantly, Missouri state law:

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C500-599/5710000030.HTM

4. Subdivisions (1), (8), and (10) of subsection 1 of this section shall not apply to any person who has a valid concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 or a valid permit or endorsement to carry concealed firearms issued by another state or political subdivision of another state.

The statute offers no exception (as in reciprocity) for those residents of other states who do not issue endorsements or permits. A Vermont resident, for example, would have to get another state's non-resident permit.

 

[hirundo82]

I think you'll find that the basis for establishing reciprocity is predicated on the recognizing States having the same or very similar standards for CCW permit/license issuance.

As with most gun law questions, it depends on the state. Some require that the criteria for issuance be substantially similar for the permit to be recognized, and others (including Missouri, apparently) will recognize a valid permit from any other state. Some (eg Indiana) will even recognize foreign permits.

 

[FTG-05]

Missouri recognizes all out-of-state permits, period.

No it doesn't: http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html

 

[hirundo82]

Missouri recognizes all out-of-state permits, period.

No it doesn't: http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html

Yeah, they do. You have to click on the "Permits Honored by State" tab before clicking the map, otherwise you see where the state's permit is honored rather than whose permit it honors.

ETA: From the Missouri Attorney General's office:

Missouri's concealed carry law provides recognition of concealed weapons endorsements from every state that issues them.

 

[NavyLCDR]

No it doesn't: http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_ca...city_maps.html

Looks like they do to me....

And, again, it's right in their statute:
http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C500-599/5710000030.HTM

 

[wishin]

If a State honors another State's permit and that other State doesn't require a permit, then there is no permit to honor. Right??

 

[NavyLCDR]

If a State honors another State's permit and that other State doesn't require a permit, then there is no permit to honor. Right??

Correct. And since there is no permit to be honored, there is also no permit which permits concealed carry. For example, a Vermont resident has no ability to legally carry a concealed firearm in Missouri unless they get some other state's non-resident permit.

 

[FTG-05]

Yeah, they do. You have to click on the "Permits Honored by State" tab before clicking the map, otherwise you see where the state's permit is honored rather than whose permit it honors.

ETA: From the Missouri Attorney General's office:

Hmm, interesting. Wonder why I keep getting this from that site:

Permit Honored:
Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wyoming

Permit Not Honored:
California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Guam, Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands, District of Columbia

Right Denied:
Illinois, Wisconsin, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands


Oh well, sorry I said anything.

 

[NavyLCDR]

FTG-05,

On the map there are two tabs above the map. The first tab, that is selected by default, is the tab you are on, which is not the tab you want. The first tab is "States That Honor My Permit(s)". When you click on MO, what you are getting is the list of states that honors the MO permit.

You need to select the other tab, which says "Permits Honored by State". Then click MO. Then you will get the list of states that MO honors.

Of course the final authority is the actual MO statute....

 

[harrygunner]

An Arizona non-res may be the fastest way to get a permit. I was surprised, but several have said they are now accepting permits by mail (including handgunlaw.us ).

According to http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/arizona.pdf they'll accept a military DD214 to meet the training requirement.

The reason they might be the fastest is, they mail the permit before completing the background check. (Then, if you lied, they add that to arrest charges. Good idea, in my opinion.)

Years ago, before AZ recognized all permits, I went there to apply. I mailed the completed app once I got back to California. I received the permit days later. The whole process took ten days.

 

[wishin]

Correct. And since there is no permit to be honored, there is also no permit which permits concealed carry. For example, a Vermont resident has no ability to legally carry a concealed firearm in Missouri unless they get some other state's non-resident permit.

Makes sense to me...

 

[FTG-05]

FTG-05,

On the map there are two tabs above the map. The first tab, that is selected by default, is the tab you are on, which is not the tab you want. The first tab is "States That Honor My Permit(s)". When you click on MO, what you are getting is the list of states that honors the MO permit.

You need to select the other tab, which says "Permits Honored by State". Then click MO. Then you will get the list of states that MO honors.

Of course the final authority is the actual MO statute....

Ok, got it, thanks.