I am going to have to say that the overwhelming majority on here saying that the barrel probably was of legal length and that I was duped are probably right. However, I'm going to forget about the couple hundred dollars lost and chock it up as ignorance that I will never repeat again. It did seem fishy to me too, and probably was a tactic to get the gun for a cheaper price, but at the time I was so worried that I had somehow done something illegal and just wanted to stay away from trouble. Besides, I really don't have any use for an ar-15 other than punching holes in paper with overpriced ammo. And, being that I am just a dumb kid, I'm not going to try to take any legal action about it. In fact I would rather that it WAS a legal rifle and that all is well.
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No offense, but you should not let this stand. That gun shop did a underhanded and disrespect full thing, If you let them off on this whats gonna stop them from pulling it again and again. In this economy a couple hundred dollars is needed. As I see it they stole that money from you, and if you decided not to do anything legal. Then atleast go back to the shop and let them know that what they did will not stand, "Draw a line in the sand, this line you do not cross" - Walter S. And also at every chance let other people know what they did, make sure every one your talk to whose going to buy a gun from them, knows that they are crooks. Just my opinion
Don't forget that what the dealer paid you for the gun may be a relatively reasonable dealer price. Obviously, the dealer will pay less than its real market value. Given the fact that AR prices have come down recently, it may not be as bad as some people make it out to be. Yeah, maybe on gunbroker selling directly to an end-user that may have been an $800 gun, but to a dealer who has to make a profit on the resale, it may legitimately be a $500 deal. (I know I've seen brand new Doublestar ARs for under $700 recently).
I think you've got the right attitude - lesson learned and move on. There are bigger priorities in life.
I think you've got the right attitude - lesson learned and move on. There are bigger priorities in life.
Never take someone's word for it on issues like this. Always do your own homework. Although it sounds fishy regarding store #2's 'measurement', since all of us here don't know the absolute circumstances we are speculating based upon experience. My experience? I was broken into many, many years ago in Detroit, and my Hi Standard riot 12ga was stolen, amongst other things. Well, the cops finallly caught the creeps responsible, and the 12ga was one of the only things recovered. It took them 6 months before they would release it back to me (held 'in evidence', you see...), then when I went to pick it up, the cop in charge of the case says, "this gun is illegal!". And darned if he wouldn't believe me that it was legal until I showed him the physical measurement of the barrel and had another cop (who was also an FFL, so knew a little more than cop #1) verify it. So again, the moral of the story is always to verify stuff like this.
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Steve lets just say the guy at the shop was right. Lets also say they have the transaction on video tape and decide to press the issue of the kid selling an illegal SBR.
I think this story can't have a much happier ending for the kid.
He has learned something and knows another thing to consider and it cost him some $$$ those are the lessons best remembered.
I think this story can't have a much happier ending for the kid.
He has learned something and knows another thing to consider and it cost him some $$$ those are the lessons best remembered.
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Dude, I mean this with genuine concern:
Are you dense?
You just committed a major crime by transferring that rifle, and just because it's not in your possession anymore does not mean you're home free
Honestly, now is not the time to say "LOL O WELL LIFE LESSON LEARNED"
Now is the time to think "is someone with a badge gonna come haul me away if the dealer [who you already admitted has a pooor rep] gets nailed and blabs on me? "
You need to seriously start covering your ass (i.e. contact a lawyer.)
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If the ATF is going to come storming in, dead-set on screwing someone, they're going to go after the FFL holder who knowingly bought an un-regged NFA item, not the 19 year old kid who probably didn't even know what the NFA was prior to this little incident.
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I wasn't aware they had an "only arrest 1 person at a time" limit, Westermeyer.
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From their perspective, it makes much more sense to go after the FFL. Easier to get a conviction etc.
Thekid90: I think your idea of taking it as a life lesson and moving on is a good idea.
Maybe as some have said you've inadvertently been involved in an illegal transaction, but it seems highly unlikely that it will be discovered by any agency who cares to make trouble for you, and even if they do you're sandwiched between two licensed dealers who should know better if either or both made mistakes. I wouldn't worry about that until the time comes, if ever.
At my age, with my "worldly experience", career history, savings, legal experience, etc. I might go back and press the issue, so I can understand a lot of the "don't let it lie" comments, but I've got kids both slightly younger and slightly older than you and I wouldn't push them to press the issue with either dealer.
I'd go with them and back them up, but it sounds like at present you're operating on your own. Without backup from someone who will go the distance with you I think you're better off leaving this behind and concentrating on your life goals.
Maybe as some have said you've inadvertently been involved in an illegal transaction, but it seems highly unlikely that it will be discovered by any agency who cares to make trouble for you, and even if they do you're sandwiched between two licensed dealers who should know better if either or both made mistakes. I wouldn't worry about that until the time comes, if ever.
At my age, with my "worldly experience", career history, savings, legal experience, etc. I might go back and press the issue, so I can understand a lot of the "don't let it lie" comments, but I've got kids both slightly younger and slightly older than you and I wouldn't push them to press the issue with either dealer.
I'd go with them and back them up, but it sounds like at present you're operating on your own. Without backup from someone who will go the distance with you I think you're better off leaving this behind and concentrating on your life goals.
highorder
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um, knowing the ATF its a slam dunk to get the kid who has no money for legal defense!
He'll sing, and plead out for a few years in the Pen.
Of course, the ATF would go after the FFL too.
I don't understand the "lesson learned, it's behind me" mentality.
Put me in this camp. I'd be covering my bases for safety's sake.
Quoheleth
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You're not a dumb kid.
You are a goal-oriented young man whose desire is to enter the fire acadamy. I applaud your determination.
You are a young man whom a sales person intimidated - rightly or wrongly - to sell a weapon which you were led to be illegal.
You are a young man who wants to move past it.
Unfortunately, you are a young man who is now caught in what could be a mess.
I wish I had some kernel of fact I could give you to either ease your concerns OR a definite answer to what you should do. Since I can't do that, all I can really do is wish you the best on how this works out and on your fire-fighting carreer.
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highorder
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The ironic thing is,
This would be (amlost) a lesson learned and a non-issue if it wasn't POSTED ON THE INTERNET.
It's now public record.
This would be (amlost) a lesson learned and a non-issue if it wasn't POSTED ON THE INTERNET.
It's now public record.
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