Question about Mosin Nagant model 44 bolt

[Doucme2]

I have a really nice mosin Nagant 44 but as it is in most cases the bolt is not numbered to the receiver. The marking on the bolt are a circle with a star inside, a triangle with the numbers 25 or 26 inside, the number 73 just under the triangle and a larger 70 below that. Would submit photos but my crappy camera can't pick up the strikes. I wouldn't even worry about it but a local gunsmith thought the bolt was from a Chinese type 53. Any help would be appreciated

 

[Shadow 7D]

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[leadchucker]

A mismatched bolt means that you have no way of being certain that the rifle's headspace is within safe limits. Assure that is right before you shoot that thing.

Sounds like the bolt is Chinese, but I wouldn't say for sure without seeing it. Number mismatch usually hurts the value of the gun too. No big deal if all you want is a shooter.

 

[Gord]

Unless the rifle in question is a collector for whatever reason, is it really possible to hurt the value of an $80 gun? I've certainly never seen a mismatch go for any less than a matching gun.

 

[dnthmn]

An M44 is more of a $150-200 gun, so value is affected a bit by matching. Both will only increase as time goes on.

 

[Aren't we all]

It really doesn't matter, some of my 1891/30 bolts fit in my m44s or vice versa.
(Disclaimer do not try this at home)

If the head space is good it should be fine, the type 53 was a carbon copy of the m44 so it'll be fine.


Marsh

 

[caribou]

head space on a rimmed cartridge is not much of a factor, as it spaces on the thickness of the rim, which on factory ammo is pretty consitant, the only troubles being if you have to force the bolt shut.

Look for a [/] slash in a square, its a mark onthe buttstock and on the barrel shank between the rear sight and the reciver, where the serial number is. If you have the boxed slash, you have a Russian arsenal referbished rifle, with a replacment bolt, installed by the factory.
The Chinese serial numberd the bolt on teh bolt handle stem. Most referbs have 'blank" bolts or an electro penciled Serial # applied,on the outter side of the bolt sleeve, if they do not have the original.

The Chinese copy of the M-44 is the Type 53. triangle 26 is factory 26 in Shinzou.

 

[Gadzooks Mike]

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[offthepaper]

I have quite a few MN's of most flavors.
I also have 2 Chinese T53's that both have Russian parts on them. There was certainly some parts mixing between the "Commrades".

 

[Dreamcast270mhz]

Mismatching is common, but shouldn't be too much to worry about, as long as headspace is good it really doesn't matter.

 

[Jeremy2171]

An M44 is more of a $150-200 gun, so value is affected a bit by matching. Both will only increase as time goes on.

Until the next batch comes in and they drop to sub $100 prices.

 

[leadchucker]

What's the date and arsenal mark on the barrel?

Do the numbers on the magazine floorplate or buttplate match the numbers on the barrel?

 

[Doucme2]

Butt plate, receiver, and trigger guard match. The receiver is marked with hammer & sickle with garlands on either side. Dated 1945 and under the serial no. is a triangle with an arrow pointing up. How the heck does a chinese bolt get on one of these? Bore is great, lots of bluing, good stock, head space is great, Closes on the go-won't close on no go.
Thanks for the info.

 

[writerinmo]

Might have been a parts rifle that someone bought, then scrounged up a bolt. The M44 and T53 are identical as far as parts go, they were actually manufactured on the same machinery, Russia sold, or gave (who knows) it to China when they phased out the Mosins. A lot of the importers had odds and ends rifles, and every so often you can buy a "U-fix-em" as they call them cheap, but you take what they pull off the pile and send you. Sometimes might take three to make one good shooter. The 7.62x54r.net site will overwhelm you with all the information if you're not careful, and if you go on the forums, it's best not to talk about ANY modifications, or even "restoring" one, it's a die-hard purist site.

 

[caribou]

Could very likely be a Soviet rifle sold/given to the Communist Chinese. The part with the Triangle 26 could easily be a replacement part to fix the bolt in an allready matching rifle that the Chinese wanted to keep useing. Conex box loads of those were imported over in th e80's and early 90's, most Chinese manufacture, a few Soviet. They had Japanese rifles of all types back then too, and a rainbow of Mauser's from all different countrys and domestic Chines warlord manufacture..

The Soviets did, indeed, give the Chinese plenty of Rifles as well as machinery to make them and PPsH-41's that were next used by them in the Korean War.