If you use Ox-yoke Wonder Seals, do you put them on top of the revolver charge and under the ball, or do you seat the ball on top of the powder and then put in a wonder seal? I have some seals that I haven't tried yet. The instructions on the container show powder, wonder wad, ball then a wonder seal. I thought I read somewhere that all that is necessary is a wonder seal between the powder amd ball to prevent cross fires. Thanks for the help!
Question about wonder seals
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Shultzhaus
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I load powder, wonder wad, then ball. when all done with that, I take an artist's brush, and run a dab of crisco, or pistol lube around the ball. That provides some lube, and additional protection from cross fires. This is cheaper than more seals, and does just as well.
Thanks for the reply. I guess I have confused a wad with a seal. Cabelas has 'pistol wads' and 'revolver wads'. The revolver wads are really the ox-yoke seals which are ment to go on top of the ball. They really should clarify that point in their advertising for us newbies!
RSVP2RIP
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Under the ball you mean. There is no reason to use two wads in a chamber unless you are loading down and need to fill the gap or you just like buying wads. I think the pistol and revolver wads/seals you see are the same thing just marketed differently. They are both felt disks that are lubricated with something. A single shot pistol does not need to be sealed because there is only one barrel/load. However you might want to put a wad under the bullet/patched ball to protect it with heavy loads.
The picture on the Wonder Seals container shows:
Powder first, wonder wad, ball then wonder seal. Two wads total. The seal is marketed as an alternative to grease on top of the ball.
I realize that is overkill and was wondering if Wonder Wads and Wonder seals are the same. Upon doing some more research I have determined that they are two different things. My question still is: will the wonder seals work as well as the wonder wads between the powder and ball? Can I use the seals instead of the wads under the ball?
Powder first, wonder wad, ball then wonder seal. Two wads total. The seal is marketed as an alternative to grease on top of the ball.
I realize that is overkill and was wondering if Wonder Wads and Wonder seals are the same. Upon doing some more research I have determined that they are two different things. My question still is: will the wonder seals work as well as the wonder wads between the powder and ball? Can I use the seals instead of the wads under the ball?
RSVP2RIP
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Sorry I was thinking something else...the Seals are more like a lube cookie and should go on top of the ball as it is not felt if I am thinking correctly(some people put it under tha ball). You can just saturate some of the felt wads in wonder lube if you want to get the benefit of the felt wad and keep fouling in the barrel soft, but it won't do that much to lubricate the front of the cylinder. I would just forget the Seals and put some sort of paste lube on the chamber mouths over the ball (Crisco, Bore Butter or Wonder Lube or any of the lube recipies out there). I don't use the wads often and have never used the seals. Alot of people make lube cookies but I find that if you use a soft lube over the ball it kinda smears all over the front of the gun when you fire it and that seams to keep everything working for a longer time. They seem kinda expensive for $12 for 100 when a tub of Crisco costs a little over $1 and works for hudreds of shots. I use the loads that the guns were originally loaded with, balls and about 25gr fffg for .36 and 30gr for the .44 with a smear of Crisco over the chambers without any filler or wad. This works well for me but I'm not looking for bullseye accuracy.
Smokin_Gun
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Lube Pills sit on top of the powder the ball goes on top of the lube pill.
Otherwise the lube pill will not be lubing properly allowing you to shoot all day without cleanin'...and they do work if used properly.
SG
Otherwise the lube pill will not be lubing properly allowing you to shoot all day without cleanin'...and they do work if used properly.
SG
madcratebuilder
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I have shot with wads and tried grease over the balls, Crisco and bore butter. Always a mess or a PITA. I started using SG's method with the home made grease cookies. It really works slick. Very little mess, easy to load. Seems to cut down on fouling, plus the cookies work great as an arbor lube on open top Colts.
RSVP2RIP
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I thought they could be used on top also. I never used them so I apologise for the error.
Smokin_Gun
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RSVP2RIP, the lube pills can be used on top but it defeats the purpose of lubricating/cleaning chambers, arbor/cyl. pin, forcing cone, and barrel. They work best under the ball but I wouldn't store a revolver with lube pills of any kind on the powder.
PM me if you want the recipe...I don't sell them.
SG
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Smokin_Gun
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I never said it didn't, I said it would not do all that it was made to do. Keep the Revolver lubricated and shoot all day (100rnds.) with out binding up.
SG
Ok, you want to play word games, I'll play.
Why does placing the lube pill on top of the ball result in failure to keep the revolver lubricated and shooting all day? Please explain why the pill under the ball accomplishes that, while placing it over the ball does not.
armedandsafe
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Pill on top of ball... gets pushed through the barrel cold and spits out
the muzzle. The ball wipes the barrel
clean as it passes after the wad.
Pill under the ball ... gets the heat of the ignition, and the pressure of the charge, spreading the goodness down the barell and out the sides of the cylinder, where it gets sprayed on the parts which need lubrication and powder residue softening.
Pops
the muzzle. The ball wipes the barrel
clean as it passes after the wad.
Pill under the ball ... gets the heat of the ignition, and the pressure of the charge, spreading the goodness down the barell and out the sides of the cylinder, where it gets sprayed on the parts which need lubrication and powder residue softening.
Pops
Smokin_Gun
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Because the if the pill is sitting on the powder it melts when fired. When sitting on the ball it goes down range as was pictured on the target with a smokin' lube pill that was posted. Nothing gets to the arbor or cylinder pin.
And Mykeal I don't play word games like some on here do. I was explaining it as how I thought I would be understood. Sorry if that confused you.
SG
And Mykeal I don't play word games like some on here do. I was explaining it as how I thought I would be understood. Sorry if that confused you.
SG
Smokin_Gun
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Thank you Armedandsafe for a better explaination...that's what I thought I said only I guess not clearly enough for all.
SG
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armedandsafe
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Hey, I might not be able to spell well on this sticky keyboard, but I spent the past 10 years working with elementary school kids.
You know the ones. First word is "why." Last word is "why." Words in between are "huh" and "whatever." One learns to explain very simply and completely.
Pops
You know the ones. First word is "why." Last word is "why." Words in between are "huh" and "whatever." One learns to explain very simply and completely.
Pops
Smokin_Gun
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LoL! I'll remember that...been a long time I almost forgot...my LiL' Boy is 25yrs. and have a Daughter 36. I claim I don't hear as well anymore, HeeHee! Agehas privilages. Hunh?
SG
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madcratebuilder
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I have been using the lube pill (grease cookies) for a short time. Maybe a hundred rounds fired in several different guns. I does seem to me that when under the ball they lube the arbor and I don't get a buildup at the forcing cone that I did using grease over the ball. YMMV
AdmiralB
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Then I guess that Bore Butter/Crisco/whatever over the ball doesn't lube anything either?
Funny, my results indicate otherwise.
Smokin_Gun
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Admiral, Crisco it lubes the bullet, the forcing cone and the barrel until the fouling from the powder burning coats the chamber and the barrel. Now that's the first shot, what you now may have with Crisco is melted lard all over your cylinder face and your hand.
I was trying to explain this a much more efficient method and doesn't make you black handed at the end of a shooting day.
It also Lubricates better than any other thing I have tried.
All I did was offer you a better way to shoot...I am, what's that word, Sharing...
Several have asked for it and there is no charge try the "Dang I'm Broke Lube Pills Recipe."
SG
I was trying to explain this a much more efficient method and doesn't make you black handed at the end of a shooting day.
It also Lubricates better than any other thing I have tried.
All I did was offer you a better way to shoot...I am, what's that word, Sharing...
Several have asked for it and there is no charge try the "Dang I'm Broke Lube Pills Recipe."
SG
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