Question on Pietta 1851 squareback trigger guard

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If one goes to the US Pietta "Navy" ml revolver web page the banner pic at the far right features what appears to be a .44 cal (i.e. rebated cylinder and stepped watertable case colored hardened frame) with an octagonal barrel AND square trigger guard. If one then goes to the gallery to look for this revolver the only one that I could find with a square trigger guard appears to be one with a round barrel, non-rebated cylinder and non-stepped color case hardened frame.
Does any of you pards have one of these two revolvers? The website appears to be set up such that you cant drill down on the individual picture to determine the model number of this squareback model. There are other pics in the gallery showing the brasser "Confederate" .36 cal G&G model and the phantom .44 cal model, but neither of these have a square trigger guard.

Que pasó? ...Fingers, Straw, Crawdaddie?????
 
Elhombre, I don't think anyone is selling a square-back '51 Colt anymore in navy or army caliber. I sure hope I'm wrong though. :)
 
CD
That's what I thought, that basically the only square back trigger guard being offered by Colt in their C series Navy way back when, but there are pics in the current US Pietta website as I related, BUT these are circa 2008, so the website may be out of date. Velly intelesting.

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BTW, I have a couple of months left on my Cardiac Physical Therapy and hope to get approval to go back to my part time work gig to pay off the bills that Medicare didn't cover. FYI, the total for my quadruple bypass was around $200k, including 2 weeks in the hospital. I had hospitalization insurance through my FT job when I had my stroke 2 years ago when I was 63.That ONLY cost $100k for 2 weeks in the hospital, but my private insurance covered pretty much all of it.

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Quoted from the first paragraph under the picture with your revolver on the right:

" The reputation of the Navy Models spread over to England, so much so that in 1852 Colt built a factory, the only one out of the United States territory. The Navy Yank buiIt in England from 1853 through 1856 feature a squareback triggerguard and were named 1851 NAVY LONDON .36/.44 cal."

So we are looking for an 1851 London in .44 Cal.

The gallery does not have a .44 but it does have this one in .36 apparently:

http://www.pietta.us/products/Muzzleloadinguns/Navy/gallery/Navy_1851_18.html

The Tech links all seem to be non-functioning sadly.

I have been looking at GB since it was spawned by EBay's rejection of the shootist community and I have NEVER seen a 44 London by anybody.
 
Quoted from Huey45 on the 1858 Remington Forum April 26, 2012:

"Hi Guys

have any of you out there got a Navy 1851 London. 44 steel frame with square back triggerguard if so what's your opinions on it for accuracy, fit and finish I believe its YAL44 in Pietta Catalogue good or bad comments appreciated !!!!"

And from BerdanSS on the Firing Line April 3, 2011:

"Hmmm........Pietta.us shows a .44 caliber, steel framed '51 Navy with the squareback triggerguard in their product line. But no one has them for sale? I had settled on a squareback or London .36 from Dixie for $225 and was going to order one, but then I saw the .44s on Pietta's site. Can you order direct from pietta I wonder? Think I'll call them tomorrow and see what the deal is with those squareback 44s. "

So is this just a concept gun or were they really produced???
 
1851 Navy Photo is Wrong

The photo in the above link is a Dance Brothers .44 Confederate revolver that was originally made in Texas during the Civil War. The giveaway is the round barrel and no recoil shield.
 
1851 Navy Squareback

I'm no expert on C&B pistols. I obtained a Pietta 1851 Navy steel frame .36 from Cabela's on sale ($199 + $5 shipping) right after Christmas with the round brass trigger guard.

I have wanted to obtain an 1851 Navy brass squareback TG (for a Colt 1851 Second Model replica: Flayderman's book) since seeing one on both the Pietta website (which gives very little info but lots of photos)

http://www.pietta.us/products/Muzzleloadinguns/Navy/gallery/Navy_1851_13.html

and the Taylors & Co website.

I have been in contact with Taylors (Ashley Loy) and she ordered one from Pietta

We can order the brass squareback triggerguard for you. It is part A2131 and the cost is $25.00.

for me about 6 weeks ago stating that she would call me when it came into their possession. I have sent a couple of emails to her in the interim, and she confirms our conversations but has not seen the part yet.

In the meantime, I received a 2015 Dixie Gun Works catalog 3 days ago. Lo and behold, on page 76 DGW lists (with photo) a Dixie 1851 Navy Yank - London Model (RH0850) steel frame .36 with a brass squareback trigger guard, made by Pietta, for $250.

I must mention that I put out a WTB request on another forum and Fingers sent me one he had (free of charge) that he liberated from a J.H. Dance & Brothers revolver and then replaced it with round TG. The frontstrap was more than 1/16" too short and was full of black gas casting bubbles, which I tried to remove but managed to have taken too much metal away. (At any rate, thank you, Fingers! He also stated that I need to pay it forward. I will when I have enough leftover parts to do so. :eek:)

As I am retired and on a fixed income, my grandiose long-range project is to obtain the squareback TG, Slix Shot nipples, a Dixie/Pietta 1851 Navy shoulder stock, and a long custom wood case to contain those items along with various accoutrements. I also want to experiment with reducing the Pietta 1851 "tail" using a new polished grip frame and the original walnut grip to look more like the original Colt line.

Many folks have bashed the Pietta "tail", but if one looks at pictures of most Uberti revolvers, they have a similar "tail" except for the 1851 London Navy or the 1861 Navy.

Another thing I learned about Pietta descriptions: don't believe everything: courtesy of DGW, the revolver descriptions are very accurate, down to the wood and the barrel dimensions. My new Pietta [CM]: 2014 date came with very plain European walnut grip, so I bought a nice looking figured grip ($35) from a seller on EBay who described them as walnut, just as Cabela's does on their website. Turns out they are a reddish-brown stained white hardwood. I contacted the seller who, it turns out, buys complete revolvers from Cabela's and parts them out on EBay. He stated he had no clue about the differences in wood and offered a refund, and I declined. It fits as well as the original grip.

DGW even stated that some 1851 Navy Models come with select hardwood (RH0210 Dixie Colt Navy steel .36 and RH0130 Wyatt Earp brass .44).

Good luck with your endeavours!

Just my $.02 worth.

Jim
 
EK
I believe that Pietta descriptive text is bravo sierra regarding the .44 cal 1851 London "Navy". No such animules existed back in the 19th century. I think thats their marketing speak for their .44 cal steel and brasser .44 cal "Navys". I dont know if the Piettas have any "London" markings, since I dont have one.
 
I'm not sure if you want to modify a revolver you have, or buy a whole new one. :confused:

But anyway, follow the link below to find parts for just about any C&B revolver being made. If you don't find what you want, give them a call. If it's to be found they'll likely do it.

http://www.vtigunparts.com/
 
VTI

My first stop in search of a Pietta 1851 Navy squareback TG was VTI. Their prompt response was they could not supply one. VTI has many parts for sale for an 1851 Navy, and I think their inventory only includes standard replacement parts for the Uberti and Pietta mainstream guns. I will procure a mainspring and respective screw when the squareback makes its presence known as the mainspring screw on my Pietta round guard seems to be permanently Loctited in place. End of story here.

I will post if and/or when I procure one from Taylors. No news yet but I have my hopes up because no one else, including the Pietta factory has responded.

To the OP: good luck, and let me know if you have better fortunes than I have had!

Jim
 
Fingers McGee said:
Pietta and Uberti have dropped 1851 Navies with square back trigger guards as well as replacement trigger guards. Only source that I know of now is picking one up from one of the auctions sites.

Hmmm. Pietta just seems to have introduced a squareback TG version rather recently ... a few years IIRC.
I'm glad I already have mine. ;)

This is a sad day. But I guess they weren't selling enough to be worthwhile for the manufacturers.
 
The Polish site says the YAL 44 is "Out of Stock" online but still available in their stores. This is always what happens when stuff gets discussed here!!!
 
I have one on the way from Dixie (3-27-14). If its not a square back, I'm sending it back. Theyre site had it for $250.00.

Rebel Dave

I didn't think anyone was making a square back trigger guard any more either.
Did you ask if it was a square back?
Dixie is also know for having stuff listed they don't actually have, so hopefully for you its actually on its way. I do believe they have a pretty good record for getting back orders filled eventually.
I don't see one listed in a quick search
 
I have one on the way from Dixie (3-27-14). If its not a square back, I'm sending it back. Theyre site had it for $250.00.

Rebel Dave

Dave, please let us know if and when you receive your squareback from DGW.

Thanks!
 
Will let you all know if its a square back when it arrives, next Tue
sday or Wednesday.

The Dixie site has it listed as a square back, so we will see.

Rebel Dave
 
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