Question regarding engraving requirements.

[yugorpk]

One thing I learned after I built my first form 1 silencer with (my full very long legal name+revocable living trust) is that I needed a new trust with a REALLY SHORT name. 8 characters total now. That 15 minutes I spent with quicken willmaker and the $10 I spent on a notary saved me a lot of time, money and hassle on my subsequent builds

 

[Acera]

One thing I learned after I built my first form 1 silencer with (my full very long legal name+revocable living trust) is that I needed a new trust with a REALLY SHORT name. 8 characters total now. That 15 minutes I spent with quicken willmaker and the $10 I spent on a notary saved me a lot of time, money and hassle on my subsequent builds

I understand, my attorney was really good when he and I discussed names of the trust. NFA trusts are what he does, he is a shooter, collector, and is deeply involved in our sport. He suggested, and I accepted a short trust name. Just a bit longer than yours, 10 characters including the space. Glad I did, I would have upset to end up making a new trust later on. I was pissed at having to spend money on transferring items to the trust from my corporation that held them first. Yes, that is another $200 stamp each---just no wait time, LOL. Glad I did not need to transfer from trust to trust for no other reason than length of name issues.

Just dropped off the barrel to an commercial engraver I found close by. This will be his first firearm related item. Going to pick it up tomorrow, charging me $25. We will see.

 

[yugorpk]

If its just the barrel that's OK. I just see too many people saying " I dropped my SBR off at the trophy shop " . Face palm action. Never leave a "firearm" at a non FFL.

 

[Acera]

If its just the barrel that's OK. I just see too many people saying " I dropped my SBR off at the trophy shop " . Face palm action. Never leave a "firearm" at a non FFL.

Yes, he and I talked about that. Showed interest in getting more business. More commercial engraving like inventory markers/tags, no trophies. That is why it took me a few weeks to find him as I had searched trophy shops. Had him google 'NFA Engraving' on his computer. Looked at a lot of images from that search. I think he will do some more research into it. Even mentioned he would have no issue with someone leaving their gun, I told him to talk to his attorney as I believed he needed a FFL to be able to do that.

Did talk to one of the local gun stores in the area looking for who they used. When I contacted their company and talked about depth of cut, they mentioned that they only color the surface, does not break the surface of the metal. Acknowledged that they do a lot of NFA engraving for that gun shop. Re-called the gun shop and asked if they knew the law, they showed no interest in talking to me about it. No worries, they seem to not have learned about being on the wrong side of the law from the last guy that owned that shop who got into a boat load of trouble.
http://montgomerycountypolicereport...-for-role-in-liberty-county-officer-gun-case/

 

[yugorpk]

Yes, the owner of a shop that takes in guns for work needs an FFL. Advise him NEVER to take in NFA stuff without having the proper permitting ( or the owner staying on the premises ) unless he relishes showering in the big house.

 

[Acera]

Yes, the owner of a shop that takes in guns for work needs an FFL. Advise him NEVER to take in NFA stuff without having the proper permitting ( or the owner staying on the premises ) unless he relishes showering in the big house.

I will do that.

Plan on taking a stripped AR lower in with me tomorrow to give him an idea about what he would be working with. Until he gets feet under him with this, I think the best course of action would be schedule with a customer a time to meet and do the work while they wait for any actual firearm. Parts ok to be left and picked up later.

 

[Ryanxia]

If you leave it yeah they are technically supposed to have an FFL.
In regards to NFA, I can only speak to my own items but I have them engraved before I add that stock or whatever I'm doing so it isn't in NFA configuration yet. Or in the case of an AR15 it's just the lower I drop off.

 

[Acera]

Got the work back at lunch today.

$25 total.

Lettering about 0.15 inch tall.

 

[Acera]

I also had a good conversation with him today.

Brought in an stripped AR-15 receiver so he could get an idea about the metal type, size, etc.

The other staff member in the office took notice when I mentioned that legally this was a firearm. She had to come look, but I think she realized that the most damage that could be done with it was if it was thrown at you, she went back to work.

We talked about the need to become a FFL, and a phone call to his attorney might be in order if he wanted to be able to take into his possession anything that is regulated.

They were very interested in why this work is getting popular.

We talked about short barreled rifles and shotguns needing engraving done.

We talked about Silencers/Sound Suppressors/Moderators or whatever your preferred choice of name for a can is, and how they are getting real popular. Mentioned that a lot of home made devices are getting legally made these days and they need engraving on the tube.

We talked a little bit about types of metal he would be facing, he has got that covered with his current set up. Even mentioned he might go to a softer bit to get a crisper job on softer alloys.

Talked about how hard it is to find a reasonably priced engraver and how a lot of work is done through mail order. I think he had done some more searching since our conversation yesterday.

They do a lot of logos right now and is set up to work on flat surfaces. The rounded surface of my barrel caused a bit of a challenge for him, but he worked through it.

I have already dropped his card off at one of the local gun stores that did not have a source. They seemed interested.

Right now he is legally only able to do a limited number and type of parts. He is enthusiastic about pursuing this line of work.

If you are in the Houston area, check him out.

Steven
Labels etc.
Kingwood, TX
832.768.7038

I wish him well.





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[pjeski]

Got the work back at lunch today.

$25 total.

Lettering about 0.15 inch tall.

Dude that's huge!

 

[Acera]

Dude that's huge!

Yeah, it was his first attempt and I did not specify. So I let him have a bit of free reign. He could have saved time and effort making it just single lines, but I think he wanted to impress me with the bold look. It looks good though.......

Black tape will be my friend as I have stated before.

 

[yugorpk]

Cold blue if steel ( oxpho ) or tht metal blackening stuff if aluminum. No one will notice it.

 

[Acera]

Cold blue if steel ( oxpho ) or tht metal blackening stuff if aluminum. No one will notice it.

Yes, the barrel is made of steel (not aluminum) and cold blue made it almost completely disappear. I have an pen that is for touch up on black gun parts, but did not choose to use it, the blue did just fine.

 

[Napalm Candy]

I was told it had to marked on the reciver in plain sight

 

[agtman]

Talked about how hard it is to find a reasonably priced engraver and how a lot of work is done through mail order. I think he had done some more searching since our conversation yesterday.

Dudenal, just make sure that when he engraves it, he spells the NFA info EXACTLY as it is appears on the approved (tax-stamped) application, i.e., name, city, state.

Trust me, some engraver dudes have screwed this up. I've seen two lower receivers botched. ... and they had a copy of the customer's NFA app in front of them.

He is enthusiastic about pursuing this line of work.

That's good, but we hope he's also an enthusiastic spell-checker.

Just sayin' ... You can thank me later.

 

[Acera]

I was told it had to marked on the reciver in plain sight

Nope, see post #4.

Dudenal, just make sure that when he engraves it, he spells the NFA info EXACTLY as it is appears on the approved (tax-stamped) application, i.e., name, city, state.

Trust me, some engraver dudes have screwed this up. I've seen two lower receivers botched. ... and they had a copy of the customer's NFA app in front of them.



That's good, but we hope he's also an enthusiastic spell-checker.

Just sayin' ... You can thank me later.

He did, engraved it exactly like I put it on the paper. Don't want him to be a spell checker, I want him to do what he is told. No problem if he asks a question, just don't want him making decisions on his own regarding spelling.




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