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Question: Selling guns on THR

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by NC-Mike, Aug 13, 2009.

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  1. NC-Mike

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    A short story and background first.

    I got caught in a credit crunch and a lot of things need to be sold. Long story short, I consolidated most of my bills and put them a Chase credit card, which at the time was offering 3.99 percent for the life of the loan. Great deal but Chase just decided to increase the payment from 2 percent of the balance to 5 percent of the balance. That's a 150 percent increase in monthly payment. I struggle to pay all the dang credit card bills now so this is not a good thing. Instead of whining about it and blaming Chase, I've accepted that I have been far less than responsible managing my credit and need to get all these bills paid off in the next two years. I'm very fortunate I still have a job and assets to sell. When I get the bills paid off, then I'll buy another gun and not before. I'm sure I'm not the only one in this situation and now I need to get squared up. (I'm pretty sure this subject can be a thread in itself)

    That said, I've never sold a gun on this forum or any other forum. I did sell an EOTech and magnifier on the AR site and that went fine. To date, all the guns I have sold, I sold to a local dealer and have been pretty satisfied but thought maybe I should take a crack at selling some here.

    Some questions I have are do I need to have my FFL ship to the sellers FFL and even if that is not required, isn't it a very good idea to do anyway?

    How do you deal with folks that have very recently joined the site and have very few posts? How do you feel comfortable giving out your address to someone you don't know and who really likes the gun you want to sell.

    I am fast talking myself out of this already. I can see forged postal money orders, people demanding a refund and returning a gun damaged. All kinds of non-sense is possible.

    Am I alone in that thinking? Are there folks here that would never sell a gun on a internet forum? I would love to hear thoughts or comments from both sides and thanks.
     
  2. 3pairs12

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    Take lots of pictures so quality of the firearm isn't in question. Make sure that you cover your !@# when it comes to the clearing of money orders. I know that post offices used to cash their own money orders don't know if that is still true. If you don't want to ship from FFL make buyer aware that they need to check that their ffl will accept delivery from a non ffl. I have seen in the past where both shipping from ffl to other ffl is buyers responsibilty price wise. Remeber that they are your firearms and payment needs to be met on your terms. As far as low post count goes make sure you have money in your hand before shipping firearm. That should keep you safe if they have 1 or 1000 posts. Remember some people only frequent trading post and this will not add to post count. BTW I hate Chase they raised the interest on my card as soon as they bought my mortgage I will never do business with them again, well when the house isn't owned by them.
     
  3. markallen

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    I have sold quite e few guns on the THR. Six to be exact.
    I have only had trouble once.
    I always check post count, and check feedback, in the retail section.
    Just be upfront. Take plenty of pictures when you ship, and also of photos of step by step as you pack up gun for shipping. ( that's what I learned from the trouble one).
    I have shipped all but one to an FFL. Make sure the receiving FFL will accept shipment from an non-licensed, unless you plan to ship from your FFL.
    UPS, and USPS will not ship handguns from non-licensed, you'll have to use Fedex, which will send it Priority Overnight, wether it's hand gun, or long gun, which can be expensive.
    If it's long gun, Fedex, or USPS will ship.
    UPS will not ship hand gun, or long gun from non-licensed.
    You'll need a copy of the FFL you are sending to, and you can check that number on the BATFA website, with you when you ship, shipper will keep the copy, so make one for your own records.
    I also have them e-mail, a scanned copy of their drivers license, and print and keep that also.
    I always expect payment with Postal Money Order, and I won't ship until I have it, and the other copies mentioned above.
    Check out the other for sale posts to see how they are worded.
    I hope this helps.
    It's not as complicated as it sounds, once you sell your first one online, but it's always going to be a little nerve wracking till it's over.
     
  4. Tully M. Pick

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    Then sell it face-to-face. Of course, that way someone might kill you and take your gun.
     
  5. mnrivrat

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    UPS will ship at least the long guns from nonlicensed people if it is shipped from the local UPS hub location , not 100% sure about handguns, but long guns they will ship, and I think handguns also, but they have to go overnight or second day air rather than ground.
     
  6. NC-Mike

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  7. mm1ut1

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    USPS Money Orders

    My bank always checks USPS money orders for authenticity before they cash it. There is a number they call to verify it is good.
    Ask a buyer if they have an ebay account or one on Gunbroker. You can always sell through a local dealer who advertises on the internet, but that will cost you $$$.
     
  8. nalioth

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    Why do these threads always end up with garbage?

    United Parcel Service will accept any firearm from any person and ship it to any legal recipient.

    This can mean that you can ship a handgun or long gun to your old buddy in the next city over (same state [local and state laws willing]), back to the manufacturer, or to any FFL holder for repair or sales.

    Their internal policies require handguns be shipped overnight, but after that, they can be shipped to any legal recipient.
     
  9. ThrottleJockey72

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    I just want to know why sellers are snobs. In the last week, I have tried to buy a .357 lever rifle FTF only to be snubbed and my PM not even read, and now am getting the brush off on another hunting rifle. What gives people? I don't need either one, but they are both rifles I have wanted and looked a long time for. If they mean that much to you, don't offer them for sale.
     
  10. Tully M. Pick

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    I know my answer may seem flippant, but the sarcasm exists for a reason. I've very recently dealt with mm1ut1 with a face-to-face transaction here in Wisconsin. Not only was I able to purchase some interesting milsurp firearms; I was able to meet someone who was willing to share their knowledge and enthusiasm for something that I enjoy. You seem to be fixated on the bad things that might happen. Sure, something bad might happen. Something really good might happen, too.

    If you look through the feedback forum, you will find page upon page of people happy in their dealings with fellow Highroaders. Some people have been around for years and have very few posts. Some people have been around for days and have hundreds of posts. The content of the posts should matter to you more than the quantity. Posts in the BST section don't count towards your total, so some people may have several transactions and positive feedback even if they have a low post count. Take payment in USPS money orders, or cash if FTF. Have your FFL ship it if you're uncomfortable, but build that price into the sale.

    If you sell them FTF meet in a public place, like a mall parking lot or a gunstore. You're much less likely to be killed that way.

    :neener:
     
  11. nalioth

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    Why? "Personal comfort" is not a reason to have your FFL ship to another FFL.
     
  12. chuckusaret

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    Wrong!.......I have not been able to ship thru UPS in Riviera Beach, Fl. The clerk states that it is their policy to not ship firearms.
     
  13. 3pairs12

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    I went to the ups web sight for you and copied it here. Now you can print this page and take it with you or you can still tell people that they are wrong when in reality you are misinformed.
     
  15. WNC Seabee

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    ETA: ^^looks like Kanook got his post in a mere second or 2 before me...

    In the last 3 weeks I (non-FFL) have personally shipped 4 handguns via UPS Overnight. Fully declared to the UPS clerk. You must go to the UPS hub/service center rather than a retail store. Local offices may behave differently, but it's certainly not against any corporate policy to ship handguns.

    UPS policy on shipping firearms: http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/ship/packaging/guidelines/firearms.html

    In the last couple years, I've conducted ~15 deals via various forums without undue hassle. The only one that made me nervous was a seller with poor communication skills.

    My advice is to simply avoid a deal that "doesn't seem right". If you get a bad vibe, move on to the next guy. And get paid up front. And shipping is always more expensive than you think (remember to factor in packaging costs, especially on long guns!).
     
  16. NC-Mike

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    I think I have a very good idea what that reason is.
     
  17. Tully M. Pick

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    Yes, I'm opinionated and I post it. I also post under my real name. I interject humor into my responses because life's just too short to be serious about everything that comes along, especially when it's really no big deal at all. Thinly veiled insults don't do anyone good, and if you want to openly insult me you can take it to PM or email.
     
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    I've sold a bunch here and FTF, as well as on other sites.

    For very particular sorts of firearms, such as C&R rarities or antiques, it's sometimes better to sell on a specialized forum or GB.

    Make sure you get US POSTAL money order payment. I had a fellow pay with a 7-11 "money order" once that was even less useful than a personal check and took ages to clear. With a PMO you can go turn it to cash as soon as you have it.

    Paypal is a bad joke and they ban us anyway. They take real cash and turn it into monopoly money.

    For shipping long arms I've really come to like USPS Priority Mail. It's pretty reasonable and I've had nothing busted up. UPS is another story, as is USPS ground.

    Do not ship short guns in the mail, ever. They would need to go by common carrier which means overnight express. Make sure you know your shipping costs before finalizing the deal.

    Written agreements are fine with me as long as they're short and to the point. I would be careful about guarantees and promises about condition and the like. Read Art 2 of the UCC for some general ideas about how these can come back to bite you. OTOH it isn't customary to sell working firearms "as is" with no warranty or promise of any kind. The only time I've seen that is with truly non-functional firearms or antiques. In such a case it is customary for the buyer to sign off on a written understanding of this condition, so no kabooms. But selling non-functional guns is not common for most of us.

    Be wary of guys who add conditions and try to get you to do strange things. Stay on the customary and legal routes. They send money, you send firearm to FFL.

    FTF is great and very simple. There is an element of danger to it, but that can be greatly reduced if you advertise in forums with people you trust. I don't put out ads on "tradeio," or the broad access local bul. boards, but rather post them on a swap forum that's frequented by real hunters and good people. Never had any sort of trouble. Pretty much what Lone Gunman is referencing below. You'll know a place like that when you find it, and it really really helps to weed out the nogoodnicks from your pool of buyers.

    It's OK to ask to check ID before doing a FTF. You are checking to make sure this person is a resident and not going to jump over the state line to their true state. This is a bigger deal back east I suspect.

    For bigger dollar transactions esp. remember you have obligations to safeguard the firearm after you receive the funds and before you get it to the shipper. There is a contract at work even if it's not written, and you absolutely cannot screw around and delay. That's what will get you a bad rep really fast. Be prepared to ship when you receive funds. The shorter the turnaround the better for all involved. And do use the shipper's insurance. It's really cheap.
     
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    My advice to you is to try to sell locally, within your state. See if you can find an outdoor forum for your state with a buy and sell forum. List your items there, and you will probably be able to sell them within your state, through face to face transactions. That way you don't have to ship, or pay any FFL fees. You will end up getting more money for you guns.

    In Georgia, we have an excellent outdoor magazine called Georgia Outdoor News. They have a website with a very active buy and sell forum. I have bought and sold several things through that forum. Try to find something similar in your state. It is much better than listing on a national forum and then trying to figure out how to comply with federal and state regulations.
     
  20. Floppy_D

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    I buy and sell on here all the time. As a result, I've met several forum members, who have all been nice guys, and made several deals that ended up with everyone happy. No one made me feel "uncomfortable." Take lots of pictures or make a Youtube video of the items for sale, and be honest about the condition. Conduct business in a big-box store parking lot, no worries.

    If you feel uncertain, asking for buy/sell references is a very reasonable request. Good luck with the finances. :)
     
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    For local selling, there is also Armslist. They only seem to have a few states that have any real actvivty. Here in KS, it's seems to be catching on quite well. I have bought a revolver and an AR lower through the site and both transactions went very well. Also use a local KS CCW forum. Locals markets do limit your customer base a bit and may take longer to sell.

    Chase tried to raise my card rate due to "changing market conditions and to maintain profitablity" on my account. Told them to do bad things to themselves and canceled the card to maintian my low rate on the remaining balance. I'm done with the loan sharks. I think you might get treated better by the mob. Unless you default. Best of luck to you.
     
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    You really shouldn't believe everything some minimum-wage cashier monkey tells you. :banghead:
     
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    Post roughly where in your state you live and then start selling locally. If you can't move your guns that way first then branch out and deal with shipping.
     
  24. NC-Mike

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    What Chase did was raise the minimum payment from 2 percent of the balance to 5 percent of the balance, so if your minimum payment was say 400 a month, it will now be 1,000 a month, which is where I fall in. :eek:

    There is a class-action law-suit over it if people want to go that route.

    Raising the minimum payment was actually something the government encouraged the credit card companies to do. :eek: Uncle Sam says people will pay off their balances faster. :neener:

    So rather than whine about it, I need to do what I have to do. I got the low 3.99 rate because my credit was good. Its still good. I don't have any late payments and my score is excellent but my management practices suck. I have way too much debt and need to get out. I just quit smoking 4 months ago and could easily compare my addiction to spending money I don't have to smoking cigarettes. Both are addictions that require serious attention and interdictions in order to overcome.

    And there was no getting around the increase in minimum payment. Even if you closed the account, the increase would still go in effect. I'm looking at this as a clarion wake-up call and I think I finally got the message.


    BTW, to anyone else who made it this far into this post, thanks for your very good advice on selling guns here and elsewhere. I have at least ten firearms I want to sell and appreciate all the good advice. If I had one or two to sell, I wouldn't sweat it that much but as I say, I have never sold a firearm privately and had some questions and concerns. I think those are settled now. Thanks again.
     
  25. DRYHUMOR

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    My question, and probably everyone else's. What are you going to sell?
     
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