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Fontaine

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Hello, a member of my family and I are thinking about buying a gun. I'm interested in it because I was able to shoot at a range once as a young kid and found it to be a fun experience, but I've got mixed feelings. We live in a very gun unfriendly state as I understand it and aside from that one experience I've been raised to believe that owning a gun can only cause trouble. A few years from now I'll be considering purchasing a handgun for occasionally shooting at a range and then keeping it locked up tight in a safe. Self-defense isn't really an issue since crime hasn't been a huge problem here. I'm only 19 though and have no gun owning friends/relatives, so it will be years before this decision even matters.

This isn't meant to be a debate, I am just hoping you guys could clear up some things for me before I make my decision.

1. Are you put into a list/database which makes you automatically a suspect in any gun related crimes that happen in your area?

2. Is there any situation where you are asked if you are a gun owner?

3. Are there any other negatives about gun ownership you would warn someone about?
 
1. no. you are put in a database, but not to make you an automatic suspect.
2.no
3.some people react to guns like oil and water. just keep it outta site and dont talk about it. no problems that way. if they dont know you have a rifle or shotgun in the house, they cant try to debate you or otherwise harrass you.
 
1. Are you put into a list/database which makes you automatically a suspect in any gun related crimes that happen in your area?

absolutely not, at least not federally, we would have to know what state you live in to know what laws apply to your state.

the BATFE is required by federal law to destroy any records of a purchase within 24 hours, and if you buy from an individual then there are no records in the first place.


2. Is there any situation where you are asked if you are a gun owner?

there may be times you are asked by friends/family/employers, but as far as I know there are no government forms that ask the question.


3. Are there any other negatives about gun ownership you would warn someone about?

no, just follow the four rules, firearms are incredibly safe (people wouldn't carry them in their pants if they weren't ;) )
 
1. Yes kinda, sorta. Some states do have "ballistic fingerprinting" which is completely feckless in crime solving but does constitute a database of sorts. Despite federal law, which the federal government feels it is above, ATFE does maintain a central registry of Title I weapons (in addition to Title II) in West Virginia. However these come from the 4473s of out of business FFLs and their special side projects to register certain weapons and track certain areas (e.g. Forward Trace, Pittsburgh Project, and the .50 Project).

2. Maybe, rare circumstance. Remember the "Beltway Sniper" of a few years ago. Federal and state agents went house to house asking if people owned guns, specifically .223 weapons. (BTW, how do you think they know who to ask?) Also asked in divorce proceedings commonly for orders of protection/restraining orders. May be asked by insurance companies.

3. Negative? Nothing negative about exercising a constitutional right. However, be advised that it is a lethal weapon and must be treated with respect via training.

Why do you believe 19 prevents you from owning a firearm? Many here, including myself, owned firearms at single digits.
 
1. Are you put into a list/database which makes you automatically a suspect in any gun related crimes that happen in your area?

Not that I know of.

2. Is there any situation where you are asked if you are a gun owner?

No

3. Are there any other negatives about gun ownership you would warn someone about?
Negatives? No. Responsibilities? Yes. Keeping the firearms safe from children when not physically on your person or under your direct supervision.

BTW, at 19, you can purchase and own long guns (rifles and shotguns). You might want to start with a .22LR rifle and a 12 gauge pump shotgun.
 
1. None that I've ever heard of.
2. At school they sometimes ask us...
3. No negatives, a lot of positive things about owning a gun though.
 
I'm glad you aren't letting all the hysterical types scare you off. Shooting is a fun and safe sport. I grew up in a gun un-friendly state too and heard all the gloom and doom stories. Then I got out on my own and moved to the Midwest and found out that guns don't carry a disease that makes you go crazy when you hold them(sarcasm there!)
Find a good sporting goods store in your area that handles firearms and see if they can direct you to any shooting clubs that have junior memberships. Some areas have clubs that sponsor events just to introduce younger people to the shooting sports. Your state conservation dept. may have info too.
Best of luck to you.
 
Welcome to The High Road. Which state do you live in?

First off, guns don't cause problems, people cause problems. People cause problems with alcohol and other drugs, plain simple belligerent attitude. People cause problems with knives, baseball bats (note recent videos in the news and OJ's attack on his wife), cars and whatever else is at hand.

1. Nope, it's the other way around. A database of criminals is checked to find whether you are on it and should be denied purchase.

2. Not too many people ask whether you are a gun owner. Those that do, however, seem to be one of two ends of the spectrum--gun owners and hysterical anti gun bigots.

3. None other than the need to avoid doing stupid things. Guns are not the agents of stupidity or violence. People are.

3a. Oh, yeah. If you find that you recapture the pleasure of that first trip to the range and try some of the sports like action shooting competition, bullseye and such you may find yourself willingly parting with a fair amount of pocket change. It's a fun and Zen sort of activity.
 
If you are worried about the "paper trail",do a FTF buy.
You can buy a handgun from a non-FFL, under the age of 21.
IF you do FTF buys you never have to worry about "a list".

MRI
 
Just to comment on the last question, I *highly* advise you and anyone that might come in contact with your new firearm to take a reputable safety class that includes range time. This is especially true of handguns as they are much shorter and tend to be handled differently from long guns.

My first handgun was a Ruger 22. I hadn't taken a safety class yet, and although unloaded, I swept everybody in the room with the muzzle, causing some serious eyebrow raising.

So. Curious, what made you decide to get one?

BTW crime can happen anywhere. We had two home invasions near my house in a very quiet neighborhood last winter. If you get a safe, at least get one that is quick access in case something does arise. Skip the key versions. Just bolt it down to something substantial.
 
The other posters have done an excellent job of answering your questons. A gun is a tool just as any other device designed for a specific purpose. Any tool is as dangerous as the person using it. A circular saw is the perfect tool for cutting lumber into the desired size for a need. They have also been misused, causing injury and even death in some extreme cases.:(

Guns have gained a bad reputation with some due to misuse. Criminals can use claw hammers to commit crimes, but people realize that is misuse of that tool. Many times, they are not this openminded when a gun is involved.:confused:

You are to be commended for learning about firearms, rather than bowing to the pressure of people around you. I think you will become a responsible gun owner who will enjoy using your tools in the proper manner. Members of this forum will be happy to assist you. Best of luck!:D
 
Appreciate all the replies, I'm in Illinois. I know that there is some kind of FOID card you have to apply for but I haven't checked out the details yet, I figure when you apply for that they put you on some kinda list. Sounds paranoid but I wouldn't want to have a big red flag on my file labelling me "gun owner" for the rest of my life.

I heard that you need parental consent for buying any firearms under 21, so I figured I'd just wait. What exactly is FTF?
 
FTF is face to face, buying a gun from a private citizen doesn't require the same federal background checks as buying from a dealer. This varies by state, however.

I'm not sure what you mean by "your file". Where would you have a file?

As far as living in IL, you have the dubious honor of dealing with some of the least friendly firearm laws in the US. Start here: http://www.isp.state.il.us/foid/
 
Well I mean if an employer does a background check on me will they see that I'm a FOID owner and possibly not hire me based on that?
 
I wouldn't worry about a FOID card showing up on a background check. You have to remember that owning a firearm is perfectly legal. There's nothing to be ashamed about. Most gun stores require you to have a FOID card to handle any guns.

Depending on where you are located in our state, you need to check local laws regarding firearms. Some towns have stricter policies than the state.
 
Yeah i wouldn't worry about being thought of as a suspect unless you actually commited the crime, or if somehow your gun was the one used in the crime, but even then that doesn't mean your going to be instantly thrown in jail.

I've never personally been asked if i own guns by anyone other than people who like guns to begin with.

And lastly, the only thing(s) i would warn about i wouldn't really consider it negative. Just make sure you ALWAYS know and follow all laws in your state especially if its not gun friendly. Oh, and make sure you follow all safety rules diligently and try not to get complacent when doing so.

Good luck with your first gun purchase :)
 
Most people who are victims of horrible crime live in what was described up to that point as 'quiet little neighborhoods'

You talked about
aside from that one experience I've been raised to believe that owning a gun can only cause trouble

I'd like to address taht concern breifly, because probably your friends and family will express concern due to similar misconceptions

There is a stat floating out there that a gun in the home is 22 times more likely to kill someone you know than an intruder. That study has been throughly debunked. But even if it hadn't the basic premise is flawed.

See, the most common use of guns in self defense simply involves pointing them at the attacker, who then promptly runs away. The federal government did a study that reported 2 MILLION yes MILLION uses of a gun to defend onself when the gun was simply 'brandished' or show to the attacker/buglar etc and he then ran off.

The second falicy is 'Someone you know' Guns are possessed by criminals, and when one criminal shoots another criminal, there are often guns in the house, this gets counted too as the drug dealers 'knew eachother' etc, but the antigun folk like to pretend that their stats about gunviolence in the home is about a kid sneeking out to a party and the scared father shooting wildly because he thinks he hears a burglar. Remember, 70-90% of rape victims are raped by "someone they know".

Gun violence, where a gun is actually used to harm an honest to goodness loved one/family member (not just 'someone you know') it is unfortunatey often an abusive husband using his gun to kill his wife. This is a real problem of course. If you ahve a history of beating your wife, you probably shouldnt' own a gun. Of course, it is already illegal for you to beat your wife, and if you get charged for domestic violence, it is also illegal for you to own a gun, so I don't understand why antigunners want to take guns away from everyone just to prevent killing in situatuions with a long history of domestic violence. Eventually, in situations of domestic violence, the woman will be killed unless she leaves. You aren't any less dead if your husband takes a tire-iron to you than if he takes a gun to you.

Gun accidents are also extremely rare. Doctors accidentally kill more people each year than guns. Yet we keep them around because they do much more good than they do harm. For children under 5, mop buckets are more likely to kill them than guns. For children under 12, privately owned swimmingpools kill more than guns.

Finally, the FBI used to keep crime stats by 'ethnic group' and a throwback to World War 2 days, there was a catagory for 'Japanese Americans'

Between 1976 and 1978, 21 of 48,695 arrests for murder and non-negligent manslaughter were Japanese-Americans. That translates to an annual murder rate of 1 per 100,000 of the Japanese-American population

Then there is this wonderful statistic

Based on 1998 murder rates, approximately one in every 12 black 15-year-old males who live in Washington, D.C., can expect to be murdered before reaching age 45.

Now, Washington DC has one of the most restricive gun laws in the land. However, it is quite possible for people to legally buy guns one state over and then sell them illegally in DC.

Still, What is going on? Obviously, access to guns is not the issue, as the japanese americans have just as much legal access to buy guns as black americans. No one is claiming that the japanese american population couldn't find a gunstore that would sell to them.

Unfortunately, areas of extreme poverty also have extreme crime. Unfortunately many areas of extreme poverty are also areas that are predominately black, but it is poverty, not race, religion, or acess to guns, that most closely corelates with gun violence. Second is previous criminal violence, third is multiple calls to 911 for issues of domestic violence.

Finally, renters are 3 times more likely to be involved in gunviolence than non-renters. Why is this? Are rental agreements bullet magnets. No, unfortunately it is again a factor of poverty. Not all renters are poor, but most poor are renters.
 
You want a handgun? Stay out of Chicago! Get your FOID card and tell no one, not your drinking buddies or girlfriends. They'll only want to see/handle it. (the gun)Or if they're rabid anti's they'll probably give you grief about it every time they see you.
If there's a fight at your place and the police are called they will probably ask if there's a firearm in the home. I've personally been asked by my Dr. if I own a firearm, Turns out he's a bigger gun nut than I am.
Start with a smaller cal. gun they're easier to shoot and a .22 is cheap shootin' too My favorites are .32 cals. They're easy on the wrist and cheap to reload. You're 19? what's the law say about rifles? If you have an outdoor range they can be just as fun and educational as a pistol.
Just learn and follow the rules and enjoy the sport and the idea that your friends don't know everything about you.
 
Fontaine,

First Welcome to THR.

Her is my answer to your questions:
1. Are you put into a list/database which makes you automatically a suspect in any gun related crimes that happen in your area?
NO
2. Is there any situation where you are asked if you are a gun owner?
NO
3. Are there any other negatives about gun ownership you would warn someone about?
NO
 
i live in NAPERVILLE IL the most unfriendly gun city ever (unless you own a 10k shotgun) i own ALOT of guns and work for a big company i wouldent wory about it
 
1. Are you put into a list/database which makes you automatically a suspect in any gun related crimes that happen in your area?

No.

2. Is there any situation where you are asked if you are a gun owner?

Yes. If there is some kind of disturbance in your household that could possibly escalate to violence, such as having a huge argument with your wife/girlfriend/roomate/whomever, odds are when Law Enforcement shows up they will ask you if there are "any guns in the house".

As previously mentioned, divorce proceedings as well.


3. Are there any other negatives about gun ownership you would warn someone about?

Yeah, you'll blow through a lot of ammo ;)
 
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