Quickly detachable gun-locks? (hypothetical)

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Still too slow. I think there are a lot of people who do not want their gun locked up, (rendering it useless for self-defense) just inaccessible to a toddler or child who is too young to teach about gun safety. Something that just requires more strength than a child can muster would not be fool proof, but it would give one peace of mind leaving a gun in the nightstand while you sleep. I still think your idea rocks.
 
Pinch lock and kids

One note on the "pinch" lock for keeping kids out. Kids are extremely resourceful mostly because of the amount of time they have on their hands. If you make a "pinch" device you're going to have lock up every pair of pliers in your house if they are really curious and want to get to the gun. Even a little 3 dial combination lock can be brute forced in a couple hours.

Now that being said - I don't have any better ideas for a quick access but kid safe lock:)
 
A lock designed along the lines of pill bottle safety caps would be kiddie safe, and fast to open by non-arthritic adults.
 
Everything that's been said so far is true. But I just want to add this in for good measure: If California didn't give us "free" locks with every gun and instead gave us durable, easy to use "pinch-locks" we in CA wouldn't be complaining about them anymore lol
 
http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum1052.php
That's the type i have. It doesn't advertise it but its basically what you're describing here. it has a place for a key but you don't need it, only press one of the buttons and press the lock mechanism in and it comes apart.
I can make a video to show you guys if you want.
 
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I considered getting involved in designing gun locks and such. That was about thirty years ago. Then I realized that I'd be the person held responsible if a lock came open for the wrong person or refused to unlock for the right person - when it was urgently needed.

That led to thoughts about lawyers, lawsuits, and lock-ups.

And that led to a change in prospective occupation.
 
In the State of California, all guns in your home must be locked up with at least ONE type of locking device right? So this has had me thinking for a while: why not make both the politicians and the gun-owners happy and invent a trigger-guard locking device that doesn't require a key or a combination, but "great pinching strength" to open? So that way if someone breaks into your house, all you have to do is "pinch" the lock off and you are ready to take him on!

This is incorrect. If you are interested in California laws and the large grassroots effort that is currently going on in California to defend our 2A rights please visit calguns.net and the Calguns Foundation at calguns.org . There are a lot of misconceptions about California gun laws but we gunnies are fighting on the front lines here in CA.

I have been lurking THR for a while now but this statement made me sign up. If you visit the forum at calguns.net look me up. My SN there is Lone_Gunman.
 
(I didn't read thread.)

Please cite the law that says guns must be locked up in California, thanks. Unless the law changed without my knowledge, there is no such requirement. There are some California laws dealing with liability in relation to children getting hurt (CA Penal Code 12035):

http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/dwcl/12020.php

The misrepresentation in the original post may be the end result of that law passing through the Internet vortex. That's why it's important to go to California specific sites when talking about California gun laws. On those sites, you'll get jumped in Post #2 for getting the law wrong.
 
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jakemccoy said:
(I didn't read thread.)

Please cite the law that says guns must be locked up in California, thanks. Unless the law changed without my knowledge, there is no such requirement....
And if you had read the thread, you'd have seen that this was addressed in post #17. And although the specific statutes relate to unauthorized access by someone under 18 years of age, it is still conceivable that one could have civil liability for what a jury may find to be the negligent storage of a firearm resulting in unauthorized access by someone of any age, if injury results.

That is not, as I previously pointed out, the same as a legal requirement that a gun be locked up. However it is still prudent to take reasonable precautions to prevent unauthorized access to a gun.

I'm still no fan of trigger locks or similar devices. There are better ways to secure a gun from unauthorized access while allowing quick authorized access. For example, a lock box is one way, and carrying the gun on your person is another.
 
fiddletown said:
And if you had read the thread, you'd have seen that this was addressed in post #17.

Hey man, there's no need to get testy, especially when Post #17 is kind of wrong. There is no storage requirement. If there is, please cite the law because I'm unaware of it.

CA Penal Code 12035 refers to liability if a minor hurts someone or shows up in public with your gun. However, a minor merely obtaining unauthorized access does not make the gun owner criminally liable. According to 12035, locking a gun helps to prevent liability when it comes to minors, but let's be clear: locking a gun while at home is NOT a requirement in California.

What's wrong with citing the law? Am I a bad guy for asking?

Again, going to a California-specific site is a wise thing to do for California gun laws. They're not easy.

fiddletown said:
And although the specific statutes relate to unauthorized access by someone under 18 years of age, it is still conceivable that one could have civil liability for what a jury may find to be the negligent storage of a firearm resulting in unauthorized access by someone of any age, if injury results.

Let's deal with the actual law, not what's conceivable. California gun laws are complicated enough without dealing with what's conceivable.
 
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jakemccoy said:
...That post above reiterates why going to a California-specific site is a wise thing to do for California gun laws. I read Post #17. It's kind of wrong. Also, that post didn't cite any law....
It provided substantially correct information in a concise and manageable manner.

The statutes specifically impose criminal liability if a person under the age of 18 years gains access to a firearm and either injury results or the minor takes the gun to a public place, or, in the case of a handgun, removes it from the premises. Specifically --

"...a person commits the crime of "criminal storage of a firearm of the first degree" if he or she keeps any loaded firearm within any premises that are under his or her custody or control and he or she knows or reasonably should know that a child is likely to gain access to the firearm without the permission of the child's parent or legal guardian and the child obtains access to the firearm and thereby causes death or great bodily injury to himself, herself, or any other person." (Penal Code 12035(b)(1))

"...a person commits the crime of "criminal storage of a firearm of the second degree" if he or she keeps any loaded firearm within any premises that are under his or her custody or control and he or she knows or reasonably should know that a child is likely to gain access to the firearm without the permission of the child's parent or legal guardian and the child obtains access to the firearm and thereby causes injury, other than great bodily injury, to himself, herself, or any other person, or carries the firearm either to a public place or in violation of Section 417."(Penal Code 12035(b)(2))

"A person who keeps a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, loaded or unloaded, within any premises that are under his or her custody or control and he or she knows or reasonably should know that a child is likely to gain access to that firearm without the permission of the child's parent or legal guardian and the child obtains access to that firearm and thereafter carries that firearm off-premises, shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine."(Penal Code 12036(b))

"A person who keeps any firearm within any premises that is under his or her custody or control and he or she knows or reasonably should know that a child is likely to gain access to the firearm without the permission of the child's parent or legal guardian and the child obtains access to the firearm and thereafter carries that firearm off-premises to any public or private preschool, elementary school, middle school, high school, or to any school-sponsored event, activity, or performance whether occurring on school grounds or elsewhere, shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, by a fine not exceeding five thousand dollars ($5,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine."(Penal Code 12036(c))

Note also, that under both 12035 and 12036, it shall be a defense if, among other things, the gun is kept in a locked container or in a location that a reasonable person would believe to be secure, or the firearm is locked with a locking device that has rendered the firearm inoperable.

And, of course, there is still the possible issue of civil liability if someone get your gun, hurts somebody, and a jury decides you were negligent in the manner in which you stored your gun.

There are a lot of details. But for general purposes it boils down to a need to take reasonable steps to prevent unauthorized access.
 
Fiddletown, dude, here's what you said in Post #17:

fiddletown said:
One must adequately prevent unauthorized access...

That statement is wrong. One should (not "must") adequately prevent unauthorized access. In the same Post #17, the last sentence mentions a storage requirement. There is no storage requirement. I'm not sure how to say that clearer. By the way, that's a good job with quoting the laws I already cited for the thread.

fiddletown said:
There are a lot of details. But for general purposes it boils down to a [gun owner should] take reasonable steps to prevent unauthorized access.

I fixed it for you. Anyway, that's an entirely different discussion. If a California gun owner merely has an unlocked gun on his coffee table while kids run around his house, the gun owner has not violated a gun law from the Penal Code. Because of 12035, locking a gun may be wise depending on one's personal situation, but locking a gun is NOT a requirement.
 
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Oh I see, because I remember a DARE officer at my old middle school when I was 11-12 saying that if you own a gun in your home, that it had to be locked up in either a safe or a trigger guard locking device... Thanks for clearing this up!
 
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