R&D of "No Shake" Lee Super Tray

I just ordered one too. I hope this takes care of one of the last remaining annoyances with my Six Pack Pro. Thanks for updating us all!
 
Preliminary testing with small rifle primers showed that without the pin in the SPP 6000 primer trough, primers would not slide down the Z chute. With pin in primer trough primers fed very well and never ran me out of primers in the primer trough.

Holding the new tray vertically primers feed perfectly all the way down very quickly.

You do need to get the primers out of the tray into the chute to start with but it seems to have potential with a vertical mount.

What I have seen/experienced so far.

GD
 
Gillie Dog said:
Holding the new tray vertically primers feed perfectly all the way down very quickly.

You do need to get the primers out of the tray into the chute to start with
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I do believe the Super Tray was meant to be used with the "Z chute/trough" filled with primers first. If they won't feed inserted into the SPP/P1K/DAPP/Bench Prime primer attachment angle, insertion portion could be angled to make the Super Tray more vertical.

I have two being shipped along with the Ultimate Turret Press so will verify when they arrive.
 
LiveLife said:
I do believe the Super Tray was meant to be used with the "Z chute/trough" filled with primers first.
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Yes, all testing was done with all primers loaded into the Z chute out of the square tray portion. Worked okay in limited test with shaker pin in SPP 6000 primer trough but no go without pin in trough to shake Super Tray.

Just using factory primer trough on SPP 6000 with and without pin so angle is what it is. Vertical test was done using spare trough and just holding it so tray was vertical and manually letting one primer drop at a time into a little bucket and it fed all primers down Z chute just fine.

GD
 
8 days later and it's out for delivery again......

I have my stuff shipped to my business which isn't open on Sat/Sunday. So with the USPS it is ALWAYS scheduled for Saturday or Sunday delivery. I never liked the idea of delivery to the front porch at home while I'm at work either.....what a stupid irresponsible way deliver packages. So I wait.....US mail is the best in the world right?....miles behind the private shipping..... Lee doesn't mind they don't have to wait.....

Will still report......late. ;)
 
Tilos said:
Another review....
What this guy had to say Vid:
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I agree with his assessment that it does not feed down the Z trough.

After more testing, 500 small rifle run on SPP and another 500 on Bench Prime, the old triangular tray works better. Just running 100 at a time loaded into Z trough they do not feed on SPP 6000 or Bench Prime. The tray is significantly heaver than the triangular tray and the extra over hung weight is visible when operating it on the SSP primer trough. The guys video shows it well but I think that is not how it was intended to be used with 300 primers in it.

The saver will be vertical mount and 100 at a time should work with no shake. But avoiding the press with vertical mount will require some thought/design also.

Don't know, we will see.

I am on triangular trays for now........ I tested the very old round trays and the triangular works better than those also, for some reason.

GD
 
Gillie Dog said:
I agree with his assessment that it does not feed down the Z trough.

After more testing, 500 small rifle run on SPP and another 500 on Bench Prime, the old triangular tray works better. Just running 100 at a time loaded into Z trough they do not feed on SPP 6000 or Bench Prime. The tray is significantly heaver than the triangular tray and the extra over hung weight is visible when operating it on the SSP primer trough. The guys video shows it well but I think that is not how it was intended to be used with 300 primers in it.

The saver will be vertical mount and 100 at a time should work with no shake. But avoiding the press with vertical mount will require some thought/design also.

Don't know, we will see.

I am on triangular trays for now........ I tested the very old round trays and the triangular works better than those also, for some reason.

GD
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Thanks for weighing in...
It looks to me like the jam is at the exit of the shaker tray in that vid.

Does it look like you could mod the shaker pin to contact the column 90 degrees from the stock position?
I believe that would shake the Super tray left/right, instead of front/back.
Asking for a friend...:uhoh:
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Tilos said:
Thanks for weighing in...
It looks to me like the jam is at the exit of the shaker tray in that vid.

Does it look like you could mod the shaker pin to contact the column 90 degrees from the stock position?
I believe that would shake the Super tray left/right, instead of front/back.
Asking for a friend...:uhoh:
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I do not think getting them out of the tray into the Z trough by any method other than manually was in the design. I believe the thought was the Z trough would be easier to empty down to a press than the triangular tray but is not that case in my operations of the new tray. I am not successful with travel of primers down the Z trough with normal shaking methods provided. Filling the Z trough takes some shaking and when done close to horizontal the jamming is minimized getting into the Z trough.

I have not tested getting primers out of the tray into the Z trough vertically to see if it will work but I am sure it would need some type of shaking to work.

My goal would be a no shake, even if with only 100 primers at a time, that worked 100%. In 5 trays full of the triangular yesterday I had to help it feed twice and that seemed to be with a newly filled triangular tray. But I was able to feed with triangular better than the Super Tray did during testing.

GD
 
MY first test was with large primers and it matched people's experiences with small primers......not quite ready for prime time. I noticed that in the lower zig-zag section it was only tack glued in 3 or 4 places, so I stuck my Xacto knife where it was stuck and just a little prodding broke the glue seal and the door over the zig-zag opened just like the upper part, and closed back fine. My thinking here is graphite or mica powder rubbed in there to make it even more slick-slidy. Will try that just to see. (so afterward I actually read Lee's directions....that said NOT to take it apart. ;) But I can't see that it hurt anything.... and can always spot superglue it back...which is what they did anyway....but want to try graphite first....that will certainly mar it's looks....but who cares if it makes it work better. I will use a Q-tip and burnish inside surfaces with it.)

The other possibility is a 3d print trough/transition to make it close to vertical. But 3d prints have to be sanded and polished inside to make them even approach the slickness of Lee's injection molded plastic.....not something most want to deal with.....but for a prototype it'll work.....then you gotta get Lee to try it. I did make such a thing for my press because of my lights and camera mod that force me to make a transition trough with an offset.....and I'm testing that one too....which works just as good as Lee's transition trough so far.....actually better since I angled the last bend at the bottom tighter than Lees's and most of the time it feeds 3 of the last 4 primers, which Lee's won't, whether below the zig-zag or the old folding triangle.
 
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N555 said:
When I load 9mm with CBI the cases are 0.1gr from being completely full, some minor detent adjustment makes them not spill powder.
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Powder spilling issue was completely addressed by "soft twist" index rod on SPP/Pro 6000 kit - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-oal-consistency.911743/page-19#post-12798949

Since index movement is spread out on longer twist to slow down the indexing speed to where you won't loose any granule of powder (And if you are using inline bullet feeder die/rotary magazine, slower twist won't tip/tilt bullet during indexing either). 👍

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I just got that soft twist indexer.......do you really have to take the ram out to put in the clutch they sent with it......and is the new clutch really needed? It is different than the old clutch? Or is it supplied with the new index rod for those who buggered up their existing clutch? As you can tell, I've never had it apart that far......;)
 
GW Staar said:
I just got that soft twist indexer.......do you really have to take the ram out to put in the clutch they sent with it......and is the new clutch really needed? It is different than the old clutch? Or is it supplied with the new index rod for those who buggered up their existing clutch? As you can tell, I've never had it apart that far......;)
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No need to "take ram out".

With ram at top and no index rod installed it will slide of out of the lower cover. I put in the new clutch just because it came with the rod.

One fellow who could not get the slow twist to index properly, changed clutch and was good.....

GD
 
GW Staar said:
I just got that soft twist indexer.......do you really have to take the ram out to put in the clutch they sent with it......and is the new clutch really needed? It is different than the old clutch?
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No it's not needed and it is identical. AT least it looked identical when I had my press disassembled and installed all the upgrade parts in one sitting. Figured minds as well since I had the whole thing apart

GW Staar said:
Or is it supplied with the new index rod for those who buggered up their existing clutch? As you can tell, I've never had it apart that far......;)
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My original clutch was actually somewhat distorted/crushed and I was happy to have a replacement for it. The Pro 6000 was surprisingly straight forward to come apart and get back together. It also gave me a chance to make sure the primer chute "shaker pin" was in solid contact with the support rod
 
Gillie Dog said:
Preliminary testing with small rifle primers showed that without the pin in the SPP 6000 primer trough, primers would not slide down the Z chute. With pin in primer trough primers fed very well and never ran me out of primers in the primer trough.
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Same experience here. The Super Tray required some "tapping" to move the primers down the Z trough/chute especially when used on Bench Prime.

GW Staar said:
vepr12 said:
No more Lee Super tray, they pulled it from the site. I wonder what was the problem with it.
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Maybe they are remaking it with more angle?
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These maybe the reason.

Thought the Z trough/chute should allow smooth "single column" feed to allow primer cups to slide down readily. When they did not, I took a closer look and found bumps on the surface. These bumps, likely meant to reduce friction, may be trapping primer cups to not allow smooth sliding of primer cups. I sent Calvin an email and primers not smoothly sliding could be why they pulled the Super Tray from the website.

It could be the angle of Z trough/chute needs to be sharper with larger radius to flow primers down, especially the bottom radius with primer hold screw. Suggestion I made was to take the length of 50 large primers and shorten the Z trough/chute length to increase the angle and to allow for rounder radius.

GW Staar said:
Maybe they are remaking it with more angle?
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That was my initial thought but if other suggestions I made flows the primers, then no need to increase angle which will require bending the feed point from flat plane.

Stay tuned.

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vepr12 said:
I was hoping to get one at Titan, I hope they come back.
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If they can revise the Super Tray to smoothly flow primers, I am sure it will be back.

I also requested that current hinge design be replaced with two piece (top/bottom) locking design or closed cylinders with pin through hinge design.
 
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Been playing with it. As I said in my last post, I didn't read the instructions, and so "opened" the bottom half. So today I used 2500 grit sandpaper and rubbed it down just a hair to make sure no barbs or edges were possible, then with a Q-tip I burnished fine powder graphite, closed it back, and dropped in a 100 large primers. Picture of the burnish job below, then a quick video.......
works pretty good, a little more work to do, but not so much.

If I was Lee I'd put a latch instead of the glue on the bottom so the graphite is easy......I understand their lack of trust on our end....I'd be the same way. but it needs to be open sometimes....who knows what people will stick in there?!! ;)
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