Range report: FN Hi Power Mk-III (CDNN)

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I just received my CDNN FN Hi-Power and after two trips to the range I figured I post a little review. Since this is not a target gun I will not be including accuracy or group sizes, per se.

The overall appearance of the gun is outstanding. The matte finish was very evenly applied throughout the frame and slide with no runs, gouges, or other imperfections. It has a very "businesslike" appearance.

The barrel is white metal. I don't know if it's carbon or stainless steel, or chrome-lined, but it has a good bore with crisp rifiling and a good crown. After shooting about 400 rounds it cleaned very easily making me wonder if it is chrome lined. The lug shows several machining marks but does not seem to affect lock-up at all. The chamber appears smooth and free of burrs.

The grips are black plastic and had no observable imperfections. I really didn't like the feel of the factory grips and I ordered a set of Navidrex Dymondwood palmswells from Brownells. They look great and the checkering is well executed, but the fit was not particularly tight and when the gun heats up, the grips tend to loosen a bit. I'm not sure if this is an issue with the grips or the frame. It's pretty annoying, though and I'll have to look into that later.

The sights are fixed with a dovetailed front post and generous rear notch. They are very servicable for a fighting gun. Point of impact was about 3" low at 30 feet with 115gr hardball. Windage was dead on.

The slide-to-barel fit is very snug with absolutely no perceptable movement when locked up. The slide-to-frame fit is good with a bit of lateral movement at the front and rear of the slide. It's not sloppy, just not ultra-tight.

The thumb safety clicks on and off positively. It's not 1911-ish, but among the few Hi Powers I've handled, it's above average.

The trigger was a bit of a surprise. Out of the box, it was just plain horrible! The weight was in the 8-9 lb range (using my SWAG trigger-finger scale) and had the grittiest take-up of any pistol I've ever handled. I took out the trigger assembly and treated it with Brownells moly action lube. After about 400 rounds the trigger has taken on a whole new personality. The take-up still has a noticible amount of grit, but it is about 1/3 of the original feel. The final pull has a little creep, but no more than a Kimber or SA 1911 out-of-the-box has. The pull weight is still heavy, but it has come down a bit and I'd guess it's around 6-7 pounds. For a fighting gun or utilitarian blaster, it's acceptable. I'll have it worked on eventually, but for now it will suffice. I had taken out the mag disconnect for a while, but it made the reset too weak for my liking and didn't do much to lighten the trigger. It did eliminate ALL the grit in the take-up, but staging past the grit to the final lettoff is a much better way for me to deal with the inital grit without sacrificaing the return strength by removing the mag disconnect. I put the mag disconnect back in (for now).

Accuracy? Well, after I figured out the POI, I was able to clear 8" steel squares on the dueling tree at 30 feet without any problem at all.

Reliability. I'll say that the jury is out on that because I've shot mostly reloads in non-factory (KRD 17-round military contract) magazines. Most of the shooting was done with 115gr FMJ reloads (my own). I have VERY limited experience with loading the 9mm and will not fault the gun for my shortcommings. The gun showed two distinct types of failures. It had failures to extract and failure to strip the round off of the top of the magazines. I had enough of these types of failures to cause some concerns so I switched to CCI Blazer ammo and the problems almost, but not completely, dissappeared. I will be ordering some Mec-Gar 13 or 15 round mags soon and will do a test with factory ammo to see where the problem lies. I'll post results.

Overall I'm very impressed with the gun. For the money ($399) it seems like a heck of a deal! If the new mags and factory ammo don't cure the reliability issues that will bother me a little bit. But since I planned on eventually sending it out to Novak, Yost, C&S, or the Action Works anyway, those issues would be addressed by a first-rate pistolsmith.

If you planned on getting one I'd recommend it. If you plan on using it for defense work, just make sure you test it thoroughly with the mags and ammo you intend on carrying.
 
Glad you like the gun. One of the best fitting guns (at least to me).

"It had failures to extract and failure to strip the round off of the top of the magazines. "

Sounds like the ammo was underpowered. To get a better idea of the gun's reliability, clean thoroughly and start over with factory ammo.
 
I have a FN Hi-Power from CDNN that I bought a couple of months ago. Last time I had it out at the range I had x2 failures out of 200 rounds (the first failures of any kind out of about 1200 rounds I've put through it). Each failure was similar to what you described, the Hi-Power failed to "strip the round off the top of the magazine". I was using Winchester White Box ammo, which is the only ammo I've used in it. I'm wondering if it may not be a magazine issue?


nero
 
Hello. I agree that the post contributed nothing positive at all to the thread and is in fact, useless, but please don't begin name-calling. Folks here will be at all levels of marksmanship capability. What is "good" for one will be "so so" or "bad" for another. I appreciate the original poster's thread and sharing of his observations. Let's just get back on track.

Best.
 
The steel plate reference was intended to reflect the shootability of the gun. I was able to clear an 8-plate rack in under 8 seconds at 30 feet with a gun I've never trained on, using a bit of a hold-over, and fighting an absolutely terrible trigger. Heck, on one good run I even smoked a Glock 17 shooter! That's defiinitely off of my 1911 and Glock 22 times, but considering the circumstances I mentioned, it was respectable for the first time out.

After I solve the reliability issue, I'll do some bench-rest testing for inherent accuracy. In the mean time, feel free to make constructive comments... the operative word being "constructive".

Regards
 
My CDNN FN HiPower had a much better trigger out of the box than either my FEG or FM clones. Either they vary alot, or "terrible" depends on what you are used to :)

Mine was 100% out of the box uisng standard 13-rnd, the included 10 rounder, and KRD 15-rnd mags shooting cheap CCI aluminum Blazer and Monarch/Barnual lacquer coated steel cases. Trigger has improved with shooting (as did the clones).

--wally.
 
On the failing to strip a round off the mag, it may be because of the stiffness of the mag spring in those KRD mags.
In my experience, they are pretty stout.
 
I thank Stephen Camp for his wise and restrained response to my attempt to be humorous. I probably shouldn't have said that.

However, many who read such "reviews" may think that the results posted reflect the gun's performance limits, and that would be unfortunate. I hope that as the shooter becomes more familiar with the Browning, he will find it has a higher capability than was expressed here. In fact, I have been very impressed with how most Browning Hi-Powers perform, especially the MK. III's.

We have many new shooters on gun forums, and they should be encouraged to enjoy the sport. I think the Internet has been a very positive influence on gun ownership. I regret that I probably hurt this man's feelings with a flippant remark.

On the other hand, I think performance reviews should be posted by people whose marksmanship is at a level that will let the reader have a viable idea of how a type of gun performs. It was useful to read that the shooter feels his gun worked better in his hands than a Glock 17 did in another's. The Browning is indeed a very comfortable gun for most to hold and shoot, and is one of the more accurate service type 9mm's.

The late Elmer Keith could hit a man-sized target at 200 yards with a handgun. I saw him do it, in his late 70's. He was baffled by those who said that handguns were so inaccurate that they personally had trouble hitting a barn while inside it. We have shooters of both extremes on most Net boards, and it is important for posters like me to realize that those who are not yet able to milk all that a gun can offer will continue to improve if they're not discouraged. I should either have been more encouraging, or not posted.

I'm sorry that an attempt to provide a laugh upset some members. That wasn't my intent.

Lone Star
 
My box stock Silver Chrome BHP MKIII is one of the most accurate pistols I own and it has a very nice unmodified trigger. When I really need to shoot well, I pick that pistol. Don't worry, you will get in straightened out, even without sending it to a high dollar gunsmith (not that there is anything wrong with that).
 
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Lone Star,

Not knowing you personally I wasn't sure if you were just joking or being genuinely nasty. I take no offense now knowing they were meant in jest. Thanks for clarifying your position.

To clarify my position, I was reporting my experience with the gun the first time out; not trying to define its limitations. The gun will only shoot as well as I make it shoot and I believe that most readers realize that. If someone is entirely basing the potential performance of a gun based on a anonomyous review they read on the internet, well... they need to expand their reference base. I doubt "many" people would be that short-sighted. I have more faith in our membership.

I agree that handguns can be very accurate weapons and decent guns are capable of hitting man-sized targets at distances well past 100 yards. At that range, usually the shooter is the main component in that equation, not the gun. However, those types of shots are not the normal forte of the handgun. I was recently at a range shooting a bone-stock fixed-sight Kimber Classic Custom 5" 1911 with 230gr RNL reloads (of my own making). There was a 30"x30" steel gong at the 200 yard mark. From sitting on the ground and using my knees for support I was able to ding the gong 4 times in 21 shots, and about 7 shots were used up just figuring out elevation. The later misses bracketted the gong within a few feet. That's certainly no Elmer Kieth-level shooting (and I by no means mean to compare my level of marksmanship to Mr. Kieth), but it underscored the point you made that such shots can be made by a reasonable (or lucky) marksman. However, the gong was sitting still, I was sitting still, I took my good-old sweet time, and no one was shooting at me. These conditions rarely exist in a gunfight so I don't believe they are relevant to a fighting-gun review. I feel the HP is a fighting gun and structured my initial shooting to those ends.

An 8" steel plate roughly replicates the critical center-mass of a human upper torso. 8 plates in about 8 seconds shows that the gun is "shootable" enough (for me) to make repeated center-mass hits at 30 feet to the tune of about one per second. I hardly think that was a scathing criticisim or statement of limitation, rather I intended it to suggest that it is a fairly easy gun to drive (again, for me). Certainly with proper practice those times can be reduced and more accomplished shooters (possibly someone such as yourself) could certainly do better. Finally, if there had been 3" plates or 15" plates, I'd have reported my performance on those. However, the range only has 8" plates on the 30 foot range.

Lone Star, the idea that only shooters with certain levels of marksmanship should post "reviews" is unreasonable and elitist. Anyone can claim to be a Distinguished Expert or Navy Seal from the comfort of their keyboard. Such marksmanship requirements could not be verified and as a result, are useless. I think it is important to have a wide-range of constructive discussion about equipment, training, marksmanship, and other shooting topics, engaged by shooters of all skill levels. This excellent forum has always impressed me as being a place where shooters of all skill levels meet for the free exchange of ideas and information. I would be happy to discuss my shooting credentials with anyone who wished to exchange e-mails, but this review was about my Hi Power, not me.

Again, I'll restate that the FN Mk-III Hi Power offered by CDNN seems like an excellent deal. I will be ordering better magazines soon and will post my findings with their usage coupled with factory ammunition (probably Blazer). I will also examine the KRD mags for burrs and other imperfections which might have hurt their performance.

Finally, I will have to test some of that batch of reloads (115gr FMJ; 4.7gr Tite Group; 1.135" OAL). Maybe my crimp needs some adjustment or the OAL is causing pressure issues. As I stated before, I'm relatively new at reloading the 9mm. I've spent the vast majority of my time at the bench cranking out .45ACP, .40 S&W, and .38 spl cartridges.


Regards
 
I just received my CDNN Hi-Power as well. It shoots about 1.5" low and 1.25" high at 10 yards. The accuracy is excellent with Blazer 115 gr. I had Teddy Jacobson work on the trigger, and it is superb now.
 
I got a 9mm FN a few weeks ago and had the same problems stripping the round off the top of the magazine. I field stripped the rail, put a drop of oil on each side, and Presto! No more problems. I've since shot factory loads, reloads, good brands and cheap brands with not a single problem.
Enjoy :)
 
Nice report meh92. Thanks for posting.

P.S. My internet combat credentials include that I'm a former seal expert who now dresses in distinguished navy.
 
Those wanting to determine how well a 9mm will shoot with factory ammo may wish to try Federal's No. 9BP round, their "classic" 115 grain JHP. In my experience and that of others whose opinion I respect, it has demonstrated unusually high potential in this area,and also has a good track record in combat. Moreover, it is not a high pressure load, and places no strain on guns such as the Browning, which don't endure as well as some later designs when shot extensively with Plus P or NATO class ammo.

I have been less satisfied with Blazer, but perhaps others have liked it.

Lone Star
 
Lone Star - I think I will give that Federal 9BP a try in my Hi Power. I don't reload but have put lots of rounds downrange using most of the mid-range popular brands including PMC, Fiocchi, Mag Tech, Blazer Brass, Federal's Am. Eagle, UMC, and Winchester. I've had some excellent results in 9mm with Am. Eagle. Perhaps stepping up to their premium brand will help tighten my groups and/or eliminate the occasional unexplained flyer (as opposed to the much more common "da**it" flyer).

FWIW, despite the fact that it's filthy and I shoot it about as much as the others, I'm coming to the conclusion that, for me, PMC has been most consistant in my 9mm's.
 
If your experiance with the Navidrex grip panels turns out like mine, you will have to do some fitting. The HP has a much more complex grip design than the 1911 (on which one side just needs to be very flat) so it takes some work getting to the point where you can get the screw tight, while not having the corner nearest the trigger try to lift and expose a gap. Have fun!

Bart Noir
Those BHP do fit like they were made for me. Wait, they were, in a general sense. Gotta get another one.
 
Update

I just got back from the range and had a much different experience with the Hi Power. I used one magazine, a Mec Gar 20 round magazine. The other two that came with the gun were unfortunately unaccessable (long story) so that is what I had on hand.

I used Winchester white-box and CCI Blazer (aluminum) for my control ammo. I ran about 150 rounds through it without a singel malfunction. Satisfied the mag and ammo combo was pretty reliable I switched to my reloads (same batch as before) and it ran another 150 rounds without any problems whatsoever. Sure, 300 rounds is no torture test, but it did point towards the initial problem.

I would have to say that the KRD magazines were the weak link in my first trip to the range. I'll tear them down and hive them a close inspection for burrs and whatnot. I'll also leave them loaded for a few weeks to see if that helps. However, I'm going to buy some factory 13 round mags for carry and serious shooting.
 
MEH92 - I would have to say that the KRD magazines were the weak link in my first trip to the range. I'll tear them down and hive them a close inspection for burrs and whatnot. I'll also leave them loaded for a few weeks to see if that helps.
I had some of the same issues with my KRD magazines in my P35. Cleaning and lubing them and leaving them fully loaded for a week brought the reliability up to standard. I did have to load them in stages, 11 or 12 then let them sit a few days, and then I could fit the rest in.
 
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