Range Report Marlin 1894C .357 (WWJWD if I Used The Phrase Tickled Pink?)

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So I recently purchased, sheerly on a whim an HK P2000 pistol. Long story short the gun, although excellent in most regards, just didn't work for me. I also really have no need for another firearm of this type. I do, however, have a space in the collection of a longarm companion to my .357 revolvers and have been looking for a Marlin 1894C in .357 for quite some time. These guns are actually kind of tough to track down all things considered, especially if you want to buy locally.

So I came across one NIB and I traded the HK on the spot for the gun, a boatload of ammo and a few speed loaders. All in all I am happy with the trade value I received.

So on to the the review.

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I was personally not happy with the HK and bummed it did not work for me. Once again there was nothing technically wrong with the P2000 it just didn't do it for ME personally. As for the Marlin 1894C I am just tickled pink. There I said it John. :eek: :D

All scores are out of 10 rounds.

Build Quality - 8 Rounds
The wood is nice, the gun is tight, the bluing is well done and bright. About the only thing I really have to mark down is the computerized/machine checkering. It is not perfect (although it looks great) it just isn't old world craftsmanship and there is one or two small imperfections. Also the rear sight is plastic, which IMHO is just wrong. Do YOU HEAR ME GASTON, but I digress. Over all a solid 8. Real checkerinng would increase the cost substantially but a real rear sight would only a few bucks.

Reliability - 10 Rounds
What can I say the gun works. It just chugged through whatever I put into it and best part is that .38 specials fed smoothly without any kind of hitch what-so-ever.

Trigger - 7 Rounds
I really cannot comment on the trigger per say. I was having so much fun I never really noticed if it was good or bad. Based on that it certainly couldn't have been bad. It was surely no match grade, telepathic pull but certainly seemed very good for a levergun.

Accuracy - 8 Rounds
I was only shooting at an indoor range and although I wasn't shooting for perfect groups my first three shots made a perfect clover leaf. Subsequent shooting was just, work lever, squeeze trigger, work lever at a very fast pace. The gun came so naturally on target and ran so smoothly it was just too easy to plink away with abandon. blowing a fist sized hole in the target with 50 rounds was nothing.
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Ergonomics - 9 Rounds
Man this is a handy little carbine. Light weight, shoulders fast, sights come right on target, lever is positioned well etc. About the only problem is the cross bolt safety, which is a useless and lawyer driven device. Half cock is perfectly fine and much easier to operate. All in all though, this is one dandy handling little rifle.

Concealability - 2 Rounds
Duh, its a rifle. Do the math. :D

Value - 9 Rounds
Marlin makes a damn good gun for the dollar. Walnut, steel, good build quality, heritage etc. It is just a good no nonsense gun that shows every indication of being a robust, hard worker. Prices for all the Marlins are very good IMO.

Gun Snobbery - 1 Round
Well I guess you could tell your friends you own an HBAR, course you could never tell them that meant HillBilly Assault Rifle. Lets face facts lever guns are old school, no nonsense, rather boring rifles. Yes you have some heritage but unless it is a replica or original then you really don't have much to tell your friends about. A 45/70 raises this a bit as do the cowboy versions but your basic short carbine in .357 really isn't much to brag about. Hey I calls em' likes I sees em'.

Recoil - 10 (1 being heaviest most uncomfortable)
This thing is a pop gun even with heavy .357. The whole family could shoot this all day long.

Overall - 9 Rounds
If you are looking for a very very versatile gun that will do just about anything you ask of it, look good doing it and provide you with a little history all while being about as PC as they come then you came to the right place. Whether you want to plink, hunt, use for home defense, compete or just plain admire the history of the lever gun, this gun has something for everybody. I personally feel this is one of those "If you could only own one gun" kind of guns. I think it offers a lot for a great many types of people.

Closing thoughts, John Wayne would be proud and it doesn't get much more American then a good ole' lever gun. I think even John Moses would give you the thumbs up here.

A couple of Marlins, .357 and .22
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Why are lever actions boring?????

That is a classy looking rifle, the HBAR(the real one) is a nice rifle but it doesn't do much for the soul. Give it an 8 for class.
 
Personally, I'd still rather have that awesome looking 39A on the right than the .357 on the left.

Nice swap and nice shooting. No matter how "technologically awesome" any weapon may be, if it doesn't "do anything" for you, it's worthless.
 
excellent!Congrats!:D

question.How was the feeding into the magazine?I ask because with my Win 30-30 it takes a bit of work to feed rounds into the tube.
 
Nice report, The best fix for that rear sight is to get a Lyman receiver sight 66la or my favorite is a Marble's tang with a Merit adjustable peep disc.

My loading port was very hard to work a few hundred rounds and it gets easier.
 
CSlinger,

Since you are so displeased with your 1894C I will take it off your hands if you'll take my HK2000 in exchange.:)

Thanks for the range report. I'm trying to find one of these in pre-cross bolt, but this may interest you in dealing with yours:

(from http://www.curtrich.com/gettingstarted1b.html):

The 1894 Marlin is hated by the historians, loved by the competitors. Most of the ones you see at matches were not gunsmithed but worked out of the box. There is some smoothing which can be done, and the mainspring can be replaced by a lighter spring, but if you keep the screws tight, it'll work stock. Click here for Marlin Maintenance and Spares

Mine needed a gunsmith for drilling the extra hole for the Marble's Tang Peep Sight. Don't try to drill it yourself. The receiver is HARD. I replaced the stock mainspring with a Bunkhouse spring kit and got light primer hits. I added small washers as spacers and added washers until the light primer hits went away. The lighter spring lightened the trigger pull as well as the cocking effort. The action, smoothed by 20,000 rounds, is very light and smooth. The Marlin needs a lot of cleaning if you're shooting Black Powder. The crossbolt safety bugs some people**, but it has a set screw which can be tightened so it will stay in the "fire" position. You could also get a small C Clip at a hardware store and C Clip it in the "fire" position. Additionally, Clyde Ludwig, P.O. Box 26156 Wauwatosa, WI 53226-0156, ph: 414-536-1101, has built a replacement which looks like a screw in the receiver. $12,95 including shipping and handling (cashier's check or money order only). It's made from blued steel. Installation takes 10 minutes or less. DISCLAIMER: If you're using your Marlin 1894 Cowboy for anything else but CAS, don't replace or deactivate the safety. A cross bolt safety is superfluous for Cowboy Action Shooting because of strict rules concerning loading, unloading, and gunhandling. Installing the Ludwig Replacement for the Marlin Cross Bolt Safety

**One Western Action Shooting organization, not SASS, doesn't like the cross-bolt safety so much that they don't allow Marlins and Winchesters with external safeties at all. If they had any events in my neighborhood, which they don't, I'd show up with the Marlin with the Ludwig modification just to see what they said.

Women shooters: The Marlin is pretty lightweight, and a lot of women shoot them. May 2003 Update: Now Marlin makes the .38 Special Cowboy Competition with 20" barrel. This is a lighter, easier to handle rifle. It's also available in .45 Colt, but if you're beginning, get the .38. Importantly it's .38 special only, not .357/.38. This is important as the .357 models should be fed with .357 length cartridges, or you'll have malfunctions. The .38 CBC isn't just recommended for women, but for most shooters. Do note it might still need gunsmithing.
 
Loading port was a bit stiff but I have found that with all levers for the first hundred or so rounds.

As for the classiness of the gun I agree but in today's world most folks don't give a lever gun a second thought, they would much rather have a nice light 6 pound AR15.......and hand 12 pounds of stuff off of it. :D

Chris
 
An interesting point is Canada. Here, we have laws saying that all semi-auto rifles using rifle magazines (except the M1 Garand and an experimental Lee-Enfield type) are limited to 5 rounds. However, bolt and lever action is unlimited. So if you want a fast-firing, quick-handling carbine that can hold many shots, non-semi-auto designs remain competitive.

For example, my Marlin 1894C can hold 9 .357s or 10 .38s, while an M-4 carbine would only be allowed to hold 5 rounds of .223 (and would be "restricted" as well, requiring more layers of locking devices in storage).

The 8 rounds of .30_06 of an M1 Garand in Canada versus 5 .308 for an M-14 also puts a new spin on the M1 vs M-14 debate!

Treat your Marlin 1894C well and it should treat you well. Just don't load it with wadcutters like I did.
 
I just got one yesterday! Unfortunately haven't had time to take it to a range yet. Is the dreaded Marlin jam still prevalent in the recent models? Or that serious an issue/threat?
 
I once had an 1894; I got it for a Christmas present from my wife. Then I made a mistake and let her shoot it. Now it has become her gun. She loves it, she can shoot all day with out any problem with recoil and she is deadly with it. Now if a deer will just co-operate and walk out in front of her. Everything has worked out OK as she let me but an 1895 in 45/70. I keep telling her how much it kicks so she will have no interest in using it, just to be on the safe side.
RJ
 
Wild west guns happy trigger, by far and away the best upgrade for a Marlin lever gun available.

http://www.wildwestguns.com/Accessories/accessories.html

Some other things that might help
-If you have girlie-man hands, dehorning the inside of the loading port helps the thumbs.
-Send it Broclmans and have 2.4" chopped off the barrel, doesn't seem like much but it should get you concelability rating up to three rounds.
-XS ghostrings, a little out of place but great sights
-37,375 rounds of 158gr LRN .38spcls to keep you happy.
 
Lets face facts lever guns are old school, no nonsense, rather boring rifles

I'll agree with the exception of the boring part! I enjoyed reading your report. I was surprised Marlin had resorted to using a plastic sight. In regards to the machine cut checkering it looks fairly nice on my 39 but like you mentioned it would be WAY too expensive for hand cut checkering.

I once borrowed a 1894 357 Mag from a friend and he was lucky to get it back! His had a peep type sight and it was an accurate rifle , I shot it up to 50 yards. I hope to aquire a 1894 357 someday. Hmm........ gun show this weekend! But I rarely see a 1894 357 at the show or any shop for that matter.
 
One of these Marlin levers is high on my want list. Can't decide on the .357 or the .44mag though.

Can someone explain what the "cross-bolt" safety thing does, and why it's disliked ?

thanks !!

After I get one of these marlins, I'll have to get a matching caliber revolver! Don't own a revolver, but my wife has a Python (inherited from her dad).
 
is it not popular because lever gun lovers like it "old fashioned" and are against anything "new & modern" on it...

or is it not popular because of functioning problems, or you can push it by mistake, or whatever... ?
 
The safety has no functioning problems it is just that it is, well, unecessary. The good ole' half cock is just fine. Ehhh I guess I am just being old fashioned.

Chris
 
I really like my 1894, two questions.
1) Is there a way to add a saddle ring to it?
2) Is there a smaller stock that can be put in so I could get my wife to shoot it?
 
or is it not popular because of functioning problems, or you can push it by mistake, or whatever... ?

No real functioning problems with them, that I've seen. But they are bloody annoying when you're at the range and it gets bumped on. Had it happen with my 1894, didn't like it when it when CLANK! instead of BANG!

Some people get in the habit of using all the time (like my brother) while other of us (me and father) just push it OFF and leave it there. Forgive me, but I learned how to operate lever guns on old 1894 Winchesters with no safeties. I prefer hammer-guns without them. Heck, my TC doesn't have any extra safeties on it either! (Of course, being a single shot, maybe the risk is mitigated, and the design is newer.)

As for the Marlin '94s, they're great little fun plinkers and general purpose guns. Mine gets used alot, and will more than likely see some use deer hunting this fall, as muzzleloader season is looking like a wash for me.

To anybody who wants a Marlin 1894. Get it NOW! You'll wonder how you ever went without it! :p
 
pcf, I followed your link to the happytrigger. WWG says this part needs to be fit by a gunsmith. Did you do your own, send your gun to WWG, or have a local smith install it for you? Inquiring minds want to know ...
 
cross bolt safety has one purpose......kind of

when unloading the rifle by cycling the lever action (often done rapidly), the cross bolt safty will block the hammer should you accidently attempt this with your index finger in the trigger guard portion of the lever and bump the trigger.

I personally don't see the big deal.

When I unload my 336CS.........I observe Rule #3 and keep my index finger completely out of the trigger gaurd.....but I also engage the cross bolt safety, because I don't consider myself above making an error and that's why it's there.

At all other times, I use the half cock safety.

I don't have a problem "accidently" engaging the safety, because I maintain complete control over ALL of the rifle's controls.

So let's think about these two statements....

#1.) The blankety blank cross bolt safety is completely unneccessary, because any responsible shooter should be able to maintain positive control of his rifle when unloading and keep his finger away from the trigger. :mad:

#2.) The blankety blank cross bolt safety is actually a big problem because I can't maintain positive control of my rifle and keep accidently bumping it on. :rolleyes:

I don't hear many 870 or 1200 (or even 500) shotgunners complaining about the #*%# safety getting accidentally engaged....after all....why would they want to embarass themselves. :eek:


Just stirring the pot....:p
 
When I buy an 1894 Marlin lever gun, I'll just leave the safety as is.

My only problem with the rifle is whether I want it in 357 or 44... I am going to buy a revolver in the same caliber as the rifle also... I don't currently own any revolvers or lever rifles.

357 pros:
already have a large stock of bullets (125gr JHP) and cases
already own 38sp dies and 357mag dies
not as loud
cslinger likes his :)

44 pros:
44mag seems to be ballistically better than 357mag
44spec seems to be a great revolver caliber... underappreciated
 
My vote is for .357 since it is cheaper and more available to shoot. Do you need the ballistic advantages of the .44 magnum? If so then you may want to move right up to a thutty thutty. That is my two cents anyway.

Chris
 
I say go for the .357 because: ammo is cheaper, there will always be .357/.38ammo sitting on a shelf at the gun shop, you can get really heavy/fast rounds in 180 and 200 grain that will take down just about anything in North America.

Also if you plan getting a revolver, .357 is a great choice for your first gun. 44 mag even out of a big N-frame is fairly tough, you just have more options with .357 also.

I just bought a Marlin 336A in 30-30 and am looking forward to shooting it. If I like it I will be getting a 1894C for sure. I also don't mind the safety one bit, if you don't like it, just leave it on red/fire.
 
Legionnaire

I sent you a PM but if anyone else is interested, if you have a reasonable degree of mechanical aptitude -if your gunsmith bought you a dremel for Xmas for being one of his better repeat customers, DO NOT ATTEMPT- the WWG Happy trigger doesn't require gunsmith fitting.

It should be a part for part swap that take 5-10 minutes to perform.
 
I used to own a s&w 686 back in the 1980s. That's why I still have a stock of bullets & brass and reloading dies. Haven't owned a revolver since then, but I love revolvers and want another one. Wife owns a Python, which I shoot a lot, but I find it too big & bulky (6", stainless). Would rather have a 4".

Never owned or even shot 44mag.

I'm really drooling over the marlin 1894... plus my son (going on 9) wants me to get a lever gun :)
 
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