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About two weeks ago, I was at a local range with my .45 muzzleloader. (I was shooting my Lee cast 200 grain REAL bullets and getting good results with the 1-66 twist.) There are probably 40 people shooting a variety of rifles, so it's moderately busy.

I notice a car pull up and out gets five people - two men, two women, and a teenaged girl, about 16-18. They choose the shooting table one down from me and, during the next cease fire, they post their target.

"The range is hot".

They pull out a snub nosed revolver and one of the guys starts firing from a standing position. The revolver gets handed to one of the women and she starts blasting away. Out of the corner of my eye, I see the range safety officer moving toward them - not a run, but moving rapidly. I have my ear muffs on, so I cannot hear what he's saying, but I can determine the drift of what upset him.

By shooting at a target from a standing position, they were impacting into the ground behind the target and not into the berm. Common mistake - I've gotten chewed out for doing the same thing.

While the range officer is having his say, the woman turns and is mesmerized by what the RSO is saying. She strikes a pose that I've seen people strike many times before in ordinary conversation - they bring their hand up so it's under their chin.

And, with pistol in hand, that what she did. Muzzle up!!

I've got my mouth open and am sucking air in preparation to scream a warning when I hear a guy to the left of me yell, "Watch the muzzle!!" One of the husbands rapidly moves to gently grab her arm and lower the pistol out of harms way. Crisis averted. I have to step away from my muzzleloader and gather myself before I can continue loading. In my minds eye, I pictured the horrible events that might have transpired if that woman had ever-so-gently squeezed the trigger. I didn't want to be a witness to something like that.

I'm continuing to load and fire, but 1/2 of my attention is drawn to this group to my right. On the next "cease fire", I step back and wait for others to pull and post targets. I notice one of the husbands approach me.

"I've been watching you. Is that a 30-30?"

I don't THINK I said the word "jackass", but you can be assured I thought the word "jackass"! As in, "What a jackass you are!"

I very politely told him it was a .45 caliber muzzleloader, like the type of gun they used in the Civil War and that it was not, in fact, a 30-30. He listened, thanked me, and went back to his shooting table.

And pulls out a Bushmaster for the groups entertainment. I start throwing my stuff in my various bags and get the heck out of there. (I did tell the RSO to keep an eye on them and repeated the "30-30 story". He just shook his head.)

National Public Radio had an article about how experienced shoots are learning that they have to worry about the people rushing out to buy their guns before the gun ban takes effect. I believe every word of that article.
 
The bottom line of this is that you must really check out the behavior of other people at any public range, even more now than in the past. It has always been worth doing, this observation of others; we've had stories before about foolishness.

But it's more important, now.
 
Remember, the object is to help the newcomers, not discourage them.

A range that I cannot fire a handgun from standing is very poorly laid out.

Be very careful with NPR, everything they do has a Liberal slant. I bet the tone was "Viewed with alarm, reported with concern."
 
Remember, the object is to help the newcomers, not discourage them.

A range that I cannot fire a handgun from standing is very poorly laid out.

Be very careful with NPR, everything they do has a Liberal slant. I bet the tone was "Viewed with alarm, reported with concern."
A lot of truth here. NPR "news"? Sure, and Joe Biden really supports our rights to keep and bear arms, really.

But yeah, seems like all of a sudden nearly everybody is coming out to public ranges, showing off their new guns, covering everyone and everything with the muzzles. I had enough of this in the 90s during the Bush-Clinton assault on our rights so I joined two different private clubs, Isaak Walton and a local pistol club (lots of steel and bowling pins and .22 cal ranges with steel critters and a 50 yd PPC range). I've been to one public range since then and never again.

Funny story. I was taking a pistol class from a guy at Ft. Meade around 1999, NSA spook type, had a lot of former/active military and agency people as well as a handful of cops in the class. Shoot-don't shoot. Rapid fire. Draw and engage multiple targets. Don't shoot the unarmed target, etc. Fun stuff. The police's gun handling scared the crap out of me and was justified as there were several NDs, including one that went right across the line of shooters. I went back to one on one private lessons right then and there.
 
Incidents such as the above mentioned are precisely why I rarely frequent public ranges anymore.

At least you had an RSO there...many public ranges I've been to self-police themselves...and you can imagine how well that works out.
 
Yeah, the range safety officer (paid by the club) is VERY diligent - walks the line, stops any unsafe practice, does not tolerate any horse-play.

Jim: Actually, the range is well laid out except with this one flaw. On the 100-yard line (comprising 100 shooting stations), they allow pistol shooting. There are pipe holes to allow placement of targets at 25, 50, and 100 yards. When people place their targets at the 25-yard line and stand, they don't draw a mental line to where their bullets are going to strike behind the target. If you SIT at the 100-yard range, your bullets will safely strike the berm.
The kicker is that we have a 40 or 50 station pistol range adjacent to the rifle range and it is setup for those that want to shoot in a standing position.

You also said, "Remember, the object is to help the newcomers, not discourage them." And, remembering that we all started at some place, that's why I was COMPLETELY civil when I answered the question about the "30-30", going into some detail of the differences between a muzzleloader and a cartridge rifle. I had a friend at work that encouraged my interest in shooting/reloading and I'm SURE that I asked questions that were completely off-the-wall during my initial start-up phase.
 
The (private) range I attend has started a requirement that all members have some type of safety training such as a hunting course or CC class.

A local public range requires that you take their range orientation/safety class before you are allowed to shoot.
 
You also said, "Remember, the object is to help the newcomers, not discourage them." And, remembering that we all started at some place, that's why I was COMPLETELY civil when I answered the question about the "30-30", going into some detail of the differences between a muzzleloader and a cartridge rifle. I had a friend at work that encouraged my interest in shooting/reloading and I'm SURE that I asked questions that were completely off-the-wall during my initial start-up phase.

That was nice of your friend. The question is: Was he thinking "what a jackass you are!" for your lack of knowledge?

Of course I may be misunderstanding your problem with the guy at the range - Were you thinking "jackass" because he didn't know the difference between a cartridge rifle and a muzzle loader?...or because of his poor range safety habits?

If it's the former, your initial post comes off bit condescending.
 
Yeah I read the op 3 times and still have no idea why you think he was a jackass. I sure hope it's not because he doesn't know the difference between a 3030 and a muzzleloader.
 
I remember as a fledgling Boy Scout attending a weekend campout on a private farm. During the hike in, some of the 12-14 year old boys were talking about learning to shoot shotguns at a previous event, one I had missed. The chief point they all wanted to win was what gauge was best.

As a total non shooter, I listened but couldn't contribute anything beyond the fact that my grandfather has a couple of 12 gauges.

Later that day, shotgun talk long over, the farm owner's daughter saved us all from missing our swim by shooting a snake that had appeared in the pond. i looked at that gun, still fascinated by the earlier discussion, and asked, "What gauge is that?" Almost in unison, the other boys responded, "That's a .22."

Very embarrassing, which is probably why I remember it so clearly. I hope they weren't all thinking, "That's a .22, Jackass!"
 
I sure hope I am not thought of as a jackass every time I see something I don't recognize. I have been shooting for 25 years and still see something almost every weekend that I haven't seen before.
 
Guess I wasn't completely clear in my original post and left out a pertinent detail.

The husband that grabbed his wife's arm and lowered the pistol, swept the line and was the same person that approached me with the 30-30 question. As the pistol was traversing the line and as the person to their immediate left, guess who was first in the line ?

That was something that was difficult to forget - or forgive. Thus my assessment - hasty as it might have been - of his character.
 
It means that, after demonstrating his lack of understanding of safety, he pulls out his AR-15. He scared me once - he wasn't going to do it again. Geesh.
 
So you felt less safe being that he had an AR-15? That's not the way we need gun loving Americans to think much less say in a public forum. A mistake was made and was corrected without incident. No need to be rude to potentially new shooters that are less experienced.
 
You certainly have to watch people at ranges.

That said, new shooters are good for the 2nd amendment. They ahod be welcomed, encouraged, and taught by the more experienced.

He wasn't a jackass. Just inexperienced. And there's nothing wrong with a bushmaster.
 
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Why didn't the RSO talk with them and explain the benefits of some training and recommend an instructor? We all started "stupid about guns"; no one is born educated on firearms. Some of us were lucky and had a friend or relative teach us; others not so lucky. It amazes me how many are sold a gun and the seller doesn't teach basic safety to the buyer. It would take a few minutes and make everyone safer.
 
As a total non shooter, I listened but couldn't contribute anything beyond the fact that my grandfather has a couple of 12 gauges.

Later that day, shotgun talk long over, the farm owner's daughter saved us all from missing our swim by shooting a snake that had appeared in the pond. i looked at that gun, still fascinated by the earlier discussion, and asked, "What gauge is that?" Almost in unison, the other boys responded, "That's a .22."

Very embarrassing, which is probably why I remember it so clearly. I hope they weren't all thinking, "That's a .22, Jackass!"

no doubt. we've ALL been there.

So you felt less safe being that he had an AR-15? That's not the way we need gun loving Americans to think much less say in a public forum. A mistake was made and was corrected without incident. No need to be rude to potentially new shooters that are less experienced.

+1
 
At the range I go to there no range officer so its up to the person or persons going there to use common sense - but since the range is in the forest here there are some yahoo that shoot there.
 
I've been shooting since I was 5-6 years old, went to my first ever indoor public range last week. I was on a trip and went with a fellow High Road member to the range he shoots at regularly. I almost didn't shoot just because of all the stuff I see on the gun forums about how somebody seems to regularly feel the need to correct other peoples actions when shooting. Never having shot a Chiappa I think it was, won over and I had a good time. I've taught quite a few people to shoot and building their confidence is a huge part. Instead of dismissing somebody because they dont know what they are talking about, be friendly and you can most likely educate and further along a new shooter. As always ymmv
 
I've never seen a range where, to fire a handgun, one is expected to sit down. Is that "rule" posted anywhere? If not, it seems unreasonable for new people to know this.
 
I quit using public ranges many years ago simply because of individuals like that. But since I live where one can go shooting virtually any where within a 5 or 10 minute drive makes life much less stressful for me, in that, I'm not ever exposed to safety issues like the one you posted.

GS
 
Remember, the object is to help the newcomers, not discourage them.
Yep.

We should be encouraging and nurturing to newcomers to shooting. Bludgeoning them with their ignorance is not helpful. While it may make you feel good, it simply turns them off of shooting. They go home and talk about the jerk at the range who made them feel stupid and how they don't want to go back.

I witnessed some stupidity at a public range this weekend, and I politely called him on it, but I also made some conversation with him and left him smiling. Hopefully the safety advise sunk in. I also shared a couple of guns with some young folks and left them grinning ear to ear. Newbies are hungry for knowledge and new experiences such as shooting something new to them.

Be an ambassador for shooting when the chance arises. The vote you encourage get may be the one we need.
 
I don't know. People learn gun safety somewhere. Some learned it when they were young, growing up hunting or from the military. If we have a bunch of newbies out at the gun ranges, unfortunately that may be where they learn gun safety. Range officers need to do their job and so do we where we appropriately can.

For my own personal part, I need to speak up in gun shops more when people are looking at guns and pointing them down the counter at me or others. I usually just step out of the way.

Wish is was socially acceptable to use my command voice: MUZZLE UP AND DOWN RANGE!

The biggest issue I have seen at ranges, especially indoors ones is that people are there to play and don't have the proper reverence for firearms.
 
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