Rant- What the h@ll Kel-Tec?!?

[jon_in_wv]

Additionally for those who bash cheap guns. I also have the following guns. All of which were cheaper than my Keltec.
1. Russian SKS
2. Bulgarian Makarov
3. CZ52
4. FEG PJK-9HP
5. Mosin Nagant 91/30
6. Mosin Nagant M44
7. Taurus 85 snub
8, Norinco M97 Trench Gun
9. K31 Swiss
10. Star BM (x2)

Some people prefer to spend a lot more but I wouldn't trade any one those for a more expensive gun. I have a few more expensive guns but the "CHEAP" ones are my favorites. Keltecs are inexpensive and they do have their problems but cheap guns are a right for those who don't have the excess funds to exercise their 2nd ammendment rights. If you don't like them, don't buy them. If you are too wealthy to buy cheap guns, than go buy expensive ones. More power to you.

 

[gpr]

kt

when keltec's are selling by ten's of thousands...you are bound to piss one some off...i am not one of them....gpr

 

[halvey]

Additionally for those who bash cheap guns. I also have the following guns. All of which were cheaper than my Keltec.
1. Russian SKS
2. Bulgarian Makarov
3. CZ52
4. FEG PJK-9HP
5. Mosin Nagant 91/30
6. Mosin Nagant M44
7. Taurus 85 snub
8, Norinco M97 Trench Gun
9. K31 Swiss
10. Star BM (x2)

In all fairness, most of those were made with cheap commie slave labor with guns to their heads. And they made millions of them. They are cheap for that reason. That said, I own several off that list.

 

[DAdams]

craig o

AS A SIDE NOTE, IF YOU "GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR," (what a world-class catch-all ) government projects would be heaven on earth, Kimbers would heal lepers and a Taurus would be a Glock.

That is extremely humerous and apt.

Please send me your address and offer in writing about purchasing an unloved KT. I may try one now with that offer on the table.
Then again, probably not.

 

[craig_o]

DAdams: PM sent! Look forward to hearing from you.

 

[HisSoldier]

Since cheap self defense is a right perhaps Kel-Tec should put a warning on the slides like cigarette packages have, something like "warning, this handgun can only be expected to function for 100 rounds.

 

[Landric]

I've had nothing but bad luck with Kel-Tecs. I won't buy another, I don't care what it is. On the plus side, I never feel the need to carry anything smaller than a J-frame anyway.

 

[jon_in_wv]

I have two Keltecs and both have functioned just fine.

And add a Firestar .45 to my list. I just bought one for 275 from a local shop.

And the "commie slave labor with a gun to thier heads" is not really historically accurate. The Russians had a strong sense of country during WWII and fought bravely to defend the motherland while the Nazis tried, and failed to take their country. The quality of the guns I own comes from craftmanship, not slave labor. And I forgot Spain was communist (its not, nor is Brazil or Switzerland). The point being made, and missed I guess, was the fact that many years later Keltec is producing low cost weapons for the average shmuck that can't afford a Kimber or a Vonderglock. PRICE has nothing to do with the worth of the weapon. The weapon in your hand that throws lead at your enemy when the s*** hits the fan, is priceless. Your enemy isn't going to care how expensive your gun is. if you can only afford a Keltec, GET IT. Most likely it will serve you just fine. Mine certainly have.

 

[NCHornet]

So in 83 posts what have we learned?
That buying a Keltec is a crap shoot at best as to whether the thing will work reliably or not. We also learned that because they are cheap some people will always be willing to take this risk and buy these cheap guns, while others either refuse to give them a chance or another chance and would rather buy a better quality weapon that doesn't have to be worked on to make it reliable. I fall into the later group. But to each his own, we all carry what we feel comfortable with and there is no magic gun that is perfect for everyone.

 

[DAdams]

Beat Up



I promise on my honor that I will not participate in another thread dealing with KTs or Kahr PM*series.

Set forth this day October 10, 2007.

 

[Wilson 17&26]

and would rather buy a better quality weapon that doesn't have to be worked on to make it reliable

I guess I missed the list of better quality guns that have never been known to fail, could that be repeated

 

[alamo]

So in 83 posts what have we learned?

That NCHornet likes to trash guns he hasn't owned and pats himself on the back for it.

while others either refuse to give them a chance or another chance and would rather buy a better quality weapon that doesn't have to be worked on to make it reliable. I fall into the later group.

 

[halvey]

The point being made, and missed I guess, was the fact that many years later Keltec is producing low cost weapons for the average shmuck that can't afford a Kimber or a Vonderglock.

As we sit and type on $2000 computers...

 

[JohnBT]

"for the average shmuck that can't afford a..."

That's not only downright silly, it's inaccurate.

John

 

[Wilson 17&26]

As we sit and type on $2000 computers...

. . . . . . owned by businesses in many instances

 

[halvey]

. . . . . . owned by businesses in many instances

That provide a middle class salary, 410k and health benifits. "in many instances".

For the record, I have a 1st gen P3AT that has been absoutely flawless. Runs 100% even when dry and dirty. I never did a thing to it - no fluff and buff. Thing is, I've seen too many personally fail to trust buying another. Too bad, because with $50 more worth of work, they'd be the perfect gun.

And on a side note: Kimbers designed for carry should not have the "500 round" break in period. It's ridiculous that a carry gun should be made so tight.

 

[ZeSpectre]

As we sit and type on $2000 computers

or the $599 special from local mom n' pop, or the hand-me-down used computer from wherever, or the carrel at the LIBRARY.

But anyway, it's not about price, it's about having a product that works as advertised and honestly I don't care if it's Kel-tec or Kimber, I'd have written the same rant about ANY firearm that gave me this much trouble (although with the more expensive ones I'd likely have sent it back and not tinkered myself).

 

[KelTecian]

It would be simple to put all this to rest...

All we need is for GLOCK, S&W, SPRINGFIELD ARM., SIG, or H&K to produce a gun as small and light and in similar calibers as the KTs some of us have learned to love. Then these major brands would have to offer the pistol at a price under 400 dollars right?

But they havent and probably wont for what ever reason. KT has filled the mousegun/pocketgun niche very well. Some people dig them, some definitely do not.

This is america and Kel Tec is an american pistol you DON'T have to buy, but we all can appreciate your comments and opinions on them.

 

[halvey]

or the $599 special from local mom n' pop, or the hand-me-down used computer from wherever, or the carrel at the LIBRARY.

If you can afford $599 for a computer or a car to drive to the library, you can afford to have a gun that will run.

 

[ZeSpectre]

Halvey,
Me personally, I can afford LOTS of stuff, I'm just making a point. But some people, all they CAN afford is to walk to the library.

Regardless, the economics talk is off topic, this thread is about QUALITY CONTROL plain and simple.

 

[halvey]

Around here, to get a carry permit, you pay the sheriff $100, and usually around $150 for training. I don't know of one person who walked to their classes to get their carry permit. Everyone I know drove their car.

Some economically poor person would probably get a cheap revolver for home defense. A Kel Tec wouldn't even come into play because in the home, concealing or even on body carry wouldn't happen.

So, a KT is made to carry. Again, if you can afford to get a permit and have a vehicle to get there, you can afford more.

I'm not bashing KT, I own one. Just your argument they are made for people who can't afford nothing more doesn't hold water.

 

[Stephen A. Camp]

Drifting and locked.