1911Tuner
Moderator Emeritus
Colt gets the Fickle Finger Award this month. C'mon guys. Ya had to know I'd get around to'em sooner or later.
I've got a stainless XSE Commander that I bought from a neighbor who
fell on hard times, and had shot the gun very little. Although I didn't
care for some of the features, the price was right...so I bought it.
I had to recut the "Dimple" throat to get it to feed something besides ball...but that's not really a biggie...and I did my usual attention to detail
to insure that the gun was reliable...which it is. I ran 500 rounds through the gun, cleaned it up, and laid it aside for 2 years.
Last week, during my MIM to Real Steel upgrade on the trigger group,
I noticed something that could have proven to be a major problem had I
carried the gun, and it was with the Series 80 safety system. The system
is, IMHO, the best of the lot in additional drop-safe mechanisms, and I've
only seen/heard of this particular problem in about 1% of the Series 80 Colts...but one in a hundred is one too many if the pistol fails to function
in an emergency. (By the way...The system isn't Colt's idea. They
"borrowed" it from Walther. Have a look at a P-38 and see what you think.)
I noticed a rough, burred area on the slide plunger. Not bad, but enough that I knew that the levers weren't lifting the plunger high enough to let the firing pin get clear of it...and could have either kept the firing pin from hitting the primer...kept the firing pin from rebounding and caused a
failure to feed on the next round...and maybe could have broken the
firing pin from unlocking the barrel with the pin still held against the
primer.
A quick-check revealed that the plunger lever didn't stand high enough
off the top of the frame. .060 to .075 inch is good for correct timing of the plunger when the slack is taken out of the trigger...and .090 to .110 inch
with the trigger fully rearward. The height is adjustable by using different
plunger levers, but I didn't have any except the #1s...but I did notice that the
trigger stirrup sat just a little below flush in the frame, so I picked through
my spares until I found one that was to spec and installed it in the gun.
(It 's a long nylon Colt trigger out of an old 1991a1)
With the trigger in place, the lever just barely made it to the low-end of spec...about .061 inch off the frame with the slack out...and .093 with the trigger pulled. I chucked the plunger in a lathe and used a fine file to smooth out the burred area, and bevel it just a bit so it didn't need to
lift as high in the slide to clear the firing pin. The plunger now releases the
firing pin just before the hammer breaks. Acceptable, but it's not really
confidence-inspiring. I'll give Colt a call today to see if I can get a #2 lever.
Meanwhile...the gun is a range toy until I'm satisfied with it.
My rant: It takes about 15 seconds to insure that the timing is right on that plunger lever...and the tolerance...a full 64th of an inch...is a football field.
Why didn't somebody catch it? This is one of those "Blind Faith" things that can get somebody killed on the street. Unacceptable!
Check your plunger for a burr at the bottom edge of the curve. If it's damaged...even slightly...you may want to get it squared away before carrying the gun.
Cheers all!
Tuner
I've got a stainless XSE Commander that I bought from a neighbor who
fell on hard times, and had shot the gun very little. Although I didn't
care for some of the features, the price was right...so I bought it.
I had to recut the "Dimple" throat to get it to feed something besides ball...but that's not really a biggie...and I did my usual attention to detail
to insure that the gun was reliable...which it is. I ran 500 rounds through the gun, cleaned it up, and laid it aside for 2 years.
Last week, during my MIM to Real Steel upgrade on the trigger group,
I noticed something that could have proven to be a major problem had I
carried the gun, and it was with the Series 80 safety system. The system
is, IMHO, the best of the lot in additional drop-safe mechanisms, and I've
only seen/heard of this particular problem in about 1% of the Series 80 Colts...but one in a hundred is one too many if the pistol fails to function
in an emergency. (By the way...The system isn't Colt's idea. They
"borrowed" it from Walther. Have a look at a P-38 and see what you think.)
I noticed a rough, burred area on the slide plunger. Not bad, but enough that I knew that the levers weren't lifting the plunger high enough to let the firing pin get clear of it...and could have either kept the firing pin from hitting the primer...kept the firing pin from rebounding and caused a
failure to feed on the next round...and maybe could have broken the
firing pin from unlocking the barrel with the pin still held against the
primer.
A quick-check revealed that the plunger lever didn't stand high enough
off the top of the frame. .060 to .075 inch is good for correct timing of the plunger when the slack is taken out of the trigger...and .090 to .110 inch
with the trigger fully rearward. The height is adjustable by using different
plunger levers, but I didn't have any except the #1s...but I did notice that the
trigger stirrup sat just a little below flush in the frame, so I picked through
my spares until I found one that was to spec and installed it in the gun.
(It 's a long nylon Colt trigger out of an old 1991a1)
With the trigger in place, the lever just barely made it to the low-end of spec...about .061 inch off the frame with the slack out...and .093 with the trigger pulled. I chucked the plunger in a lathe and used a fine file to smooth out the burred area, and bevel it just a bit so it didn't need to
lift as high in the slide to clear the firing pin. The plunger now releases the
firing pin just before the hammer breaks. Acceptable, but it's not really
confidence-inspiring. I'll give Colt a call today to see if I can get a #2 lever.
Meanwhile...the gun is a range toy until I'm satisfied with it.
My rant: It takes about 15 seconds to insure that the timing is right on that plunger lever...and the tolerance...a full 64th of an inch...is a football field.
Why didn't somebody catch it? This is one of those "Blind Faith" things that can get somebody killed on the street. Unacceptable!
Check your plunger for a burr at the bottom edge of the curve. If it's damaged...even slightly...you may want to get it squared away before carrying the gun.
Cheers all!
Tuner