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re: Sharpfinger knife

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About 2 weeks ago, I was the proud winner of an auction on GunBroker for an Old Timer Sharpfinger knife. It was listed as carbon steel, like new. I had one about 25 years ago and loved it. So today my new knife arrives. New in the box, Chinese made, stainless steel. Don't want it, feel ripped off. I have notified the seller of my dissatisfaction, and am waiting a response. I asked that he pay return shipping to avoid a negative feedback posting.
Am I being unreasonable? Who would want a p.o.s. Chinese stainless knife? I don't like stainless blades, and despise the ChiComs. And all other commies, foreign or domestic
 
I'd say you should contact GunBroker.com customer support as well, they may be able to help you.
 
I contacted the seller. he states that Shrade went out of business several years ago, which I knew. And that I should have known as much, I did. And not to threaten to contact GunBroker, which I did. Does anyone here want a chinese Sharpfinger? It may be ok quality, I don't really know. But I have a policy to never buy Chicom products. I loathe all commies, foreign and domestic.
 
He advertised it as "carbon steel"! Enough said! That is an USA produced Schrade; and there are probably enough of them still around, that it is reasonable to expect one would show up on an auction site.

You should be mad; He misrepresented the knife to you and owes you a refund. His dishonesty should be reported to Gun Broker.
 
Yep, the steel type should have been indicated if he was being honest.

He was less than, and is bound by honor to abide to his agreement and ship you a NEW carbon-steel Old Timer. Otherwise he needs to correct the transaction to where you are no better or worse off than upon entering the transaction.

If he pulls any shens, contact gunbroker. His attitude is unacceptable. I'm less than tolerant of such attitude, and would have reported him immediately upon such a response.
 
It was listed as carbon steel, like new. I had one about 25 years ago and loved it. So today my new knife arrives. New in the box, Chinese made, stainless steel. Don't want it, feel ripped off.
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You shouldn't because if he said it was carbon steel you were ripped off.

Please point us to the auction/item number. All I can find for completed auctions for any Sharpfingers lists them as stainless.
 
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Schrade did in fact close it's doors about 5 years ago and many folks , myself included bought up the knives still available in stores.
The Sharpfingers that I own ARE Carbon Steel and of course were made by Schrade in Ellenville, N.Y.
Locally a genuine Schrade turns upevery now and then.
Best way to be safe is to buy a boxed item as the printing says it all.
 
Aution number was 141396137. I looked last night and he had another one listed as carbon steel. I don't think it was mentioned as new or not. The last email he sent informed me that he was blocking further mail from me.
 
Since he refused conversation, the best deal is to archive that auction, contact gunbroker to assure the closed auction is not deleted, and talk to an attorney about filing charges in your locale for fraud, and see if there's a US DA who will file the federal charges since it's over state lines.

Basically, he's just buried himself by refusing to communicate on the issue. Keep the knife as evidence.
 
I notice that the one he currently has listed no longer says "carbon steel". Doesn't specify at all what sort of steel it is. It's not a federal case or anything, it was only less than $25.00 with shipping. It just seems wrong is all. I plan to keep the knife,un-used. And let GunBroker know about the problem. Just don't buy from a guy listed as "mink".
 
Here's a pdf of the transaction so you can send it to them and complain. It clearly says carbon steel.
 

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I thought I had one for you, but mine is the drop point, not curved up. I found it in the woods about 20 years ago, no sheath. I could post a picture if you are interested.
Dale
 
Please do. I'm usually interested in real carbon knives. I do have some stainless ones, but 1095 ect.. is so much easier to sharpen, and holds an edge better too, I think.
 
Hate to be negative - but sometimes you have to weigh the cost. I bought a firearm off of Guns America a couple of years ago that was misrepresented. I was into it for $1800. Guns America refused to get involved. The seller refused to do anything about it. He even pulled the listing off of Guns America, as sold not through them, so he basically ripped them off too.

In looking at having the gun repaired, I talked to the original engraver who had worked on the piece and was told that he engraved it as a collection display item and that the seller knew the firearm had problems when the original project was started.

I looked at the legal route and had a good case. But, I live in Tennessee and the seller lived in Connecticut. I was told I would have to pursue it in their courts. Considering the cost of time, travel, hotels, lawyer and court fees - I would have went in the further in hole pursuing it. I would up having the repairs done myself and reselling the gun accurately listed.

Bottom line - I would complain to Gun Broker and hope they will get involved. Leave appropriate feed back. Considering the cost of the item, you could accurately relist it on Gun Broker or Ebay and cut your cost. You may have that favorite in-law a Christmas present.

There are slugs out there, and any time you deal over the internet there are risks. Most sites have a feedback system, that helps. My lesson learned on a high ticket item is use a 3rd party to inspect. It the seller won't ship to a reputable dealer for inspection - there's your sign.
 
That said though the item was blatantly misrepresented by saying it was carbon steel.

I have people complain about shipping after the fact all the time when the shipping is clearly posted in the item listing.
 
It is a Federal Offence, called Mail Fraud...The US DA in your district, the Postmaster should be contacted...Yes, even if he used a courier Service who should also be contacted and they might just ban him from shipping with them, it has been done in the past…

Also, as he has cut off your e-mail address, there are 100s of other ones you can sign in on and contact him so that from now on he'll never know who is or isn't a customer...

Contact A L L the knife forums and report him as a fraud and have them take action against the miscreant…If nothing else with a swarm of hate mail/SPAM…

Put it back on E-Bay and sell it with an explanation of how you were defrauded but not by whom (libel)…
 
They said carbon. It is not. End of story.
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That would be incorrect, I'm afraid. It most certainly does have carbon in it, as all good stainless steels do; therefore it is pretty strongly-arguably "carbon steel". No proof of a misrepresentation there.

What angle you CAN use is that it was advertised as "Like new" which is a lie/misrepresentation, designed to make you think it's an old knife, which we all know is higher quality. It was in fact "NEW"; NOT "like new" (used), as claimed. That IS a misrepresentation, clear cut, unlike the "carbon steel" claim. Why on earth ELSE would anyone claim that something is used instead of new, except in a situation where they wanted to deceive you into thinking it's one of the higher quality older ones? Not only should you leave negative feedback, you should also report him to the auction site, the better business bureau, the federal trade commission, and the attorney general or consumer protection agency in the state you live in. And knife forums. And demand your money back with seller paying shipping. IMO.
 
Carbon Steel?

That would be incorrect, I'm afraid. It most certainly does have carbon in it, as all good stainless steels do; therefore it is pretty strongly-arguably "carbon steel". No proof of a misrepresentation there.
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You know, I might actually disagree with that.

There is something of a labeling standard in the industry -- more of a convention, possibly -- that one does not label stainless steel "carbon steel" without other qualifiers.

I have a number of knives that I purchased as a result of finding that the product was labeled "carbon steel" or "high carbon steel" and which I would not have purchased had the label said "stainless" anywhere.

The people who make and label these knives pretty much adhere to this convention (I have found no exceptions) across the board.

Someone selling a stainless knife can take a "plausible ignorance" stand (I thought all steels where "carbon" steels) and assert incompetence to avoid accusations of fraud, but the fact that virtually every steel has carbon in it doesn't mean that "all steels are technically carbon steel."

For someone who's been around knives and steel for more than three months, I'd have to say representing stainless as "carbon steel" is disingenuous.

Actually, dishonest. Maybe not provable, but dishonest.

 
It's certainly dishonest and I see exactly what you mean - you and I and everyone around here knows that. But to a JURY of lay-persons, and a judge, who are NOT taking into account "industry standards" for purposes of determining whether to slap them with serious fraud liability / sanctions, but rather the plain dictionary meaning of English words and phrases, it'd be tough (though not impossible) to prove that it's a "misrepresentation" by a clear & convincing evidence, which is usually the standard for the key fraud elements.
 
Don't waste your time. The dirty secret of the American justice system is that when it comes to fraud and civil theft, nobody cares. Not the police, not the city and state attorneys, not the judge who you may appear before, no one. I found out the hard way after getting ripped off for $12.5K by a dirty vendor. I thought my case would be a slam dunk but I was sadly mistaken. Three years later I am still chasing the cockroach through the "justice" system. If a guy steals a purse with $5 in it in a parking lot then the wheels of justice turn. But a thief or fraudster with a laptop can pretty much do what he wants and get away with it.
 
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