Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Reactor Disaster In Japan

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Ky Larry, Mar 19, 2011.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Ky Larry

    Ky Larry Member

    Joined:
    May 22, 2003
    Messages:
    3,526
    Location:
    Ky
    I know nuclear reactors use a lot of lead sheilding. Also, Japan will need to repair/replace a lot of their power grid wiring. Anybody have a guess when copper and lead prices will start to skyrocket due to increased demand? I'm buying all the ammo and reloading components I can afford.
     
  2. dbro822

    dbro822 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2011
    Messages:
    158
    Location:
    East Oregon
    If goes the way it did when china put up the three rivers dam, copper, and steel should start to climb up in price in about 6 to 8 months.
     
  3. General Geoff

    General Geoff Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2006
    Messages:
    5,072
    Location:
    Allentown, Pennsylvania
    Lead and copper don't just vanish. A lot of the metal in what was destroyed will be reclaimed during salvage efforts.
     
  4. hardworker

    hardworker Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2010
    Messages:
    301
    Everybody has a guess, and they're all equally valuable.
     
  5. nwilliams

    nwilliams Member

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    4,461
    Location:
    Albuquerque, NM
    Who cares.

    Seriously in the wake of what happened to the people of Japan as a result of the tsunami do we really have the audacity to complain that ammo might go up a few cents. Thousands of people lost their lives, thousands more lost everything including loved ones, their friends, their homes, pets and all their worldly possessions, do we really have a right to complain if the cost of our ammo goes up a few cents as a result of the tragedy that has happened.
     
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2011
  6. General Geoff

    General Geoff Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2006
    Messages:
    5,072
    Location:
    Allentown, Pennsylvania
    Yes we do have a right to complain. We also have a right to ignore those who complain.
     
  7. Snowdog

    Snowdog Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    3,950
    I doubt the materials needed to repair the reactors and related infrastructure will drive prices up to any noticeable degree... but perhaps the reaction by those who fear it might, will.

    Though it's understandable, I honestly do believe it's those who immediately begin to stockpile that have the most profound effect on the price of ammunition and components.
     
  8. david58

    david58 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2010
    Messages:
    319
    Location:
    High Country New Mexico
    How much ammo, gold, guns, silver, and bottled water has fear sold? Doin' a bangup job so far....
     
  9. nwilliams

    nwilliams Member

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    4,461
    Location:
    Albuquerque, NM
    Exactly!

    I'm sorry but complaining that something might go up slightly in cost as a result of a humanitarian disaster doesn't seem very high road to me. Also there is no evidence that the cost of ammo will go up as a result of what happened in Japan, so until it does let's not worry because that only leads to mass panic buys which then leads to price hikes.
     
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2011
  10. RDCL

    RDCL Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2009
    Messages:
    272
    Location:
    Westlake Ohio
    Don't see how there could ever be a shortage of lead. Shooting ranges all over the country must be collecting tons of it from year-to-year.

    Russ
     
  11. RS14

    RS14 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2009
    Messages:
    212
    Virtually all of the copper from downed wires will be reclaimed and recycled by someone (not necessarily the owners). This should keep copper prices from rising substantially.

    I cannot find figures for the mass of lead shielding in a typical reactor. I would guess a few thousand tonnes. However, annual lead production is about 8,000,000 tonnes. I would not expect this to cause any substantial change in prices.
     
  12. Gromky

    Gromky Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2011
    Messages:
    94
    I would agree, won't matter for us. Unless people freak out like they did after the last presidential election and buy everything faster than it can be produced. The people stealing copper from the local construction site will be more of a problem
     
  13. Diggers

    Diggers Member

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2007
    Messages:
    890
    Doubt there will be much repair work done there. The place is pretty radio active now so I don't see them buying up a bunch of lead to rebuild the reactor buildings.

    BTW I'm not even sure lead is used in the construction.
     
  14. blume357@bellsouth.net

    blume357@bellsouth.net Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2005
    Messages:
    184
    Location:
    Greenville, SC
    From what I've learned as of late, the powers that be... whom ever that is... will raise the price on anything if the news media will print that the price might go up.

    Heck, gas prices will go up if Britney Spears goes back in rehab.... so, I'm sure ammo prices will go up because of Japan's troubles....

    Now it might just have to do with the fact that the world's 3rd largest economy has pretty much shut down....
     
  15. PRM

    PRM Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2008
    Messages:
    2,060
    Now that's funny. From what I see any excuse is as good as another to jack up the price on gas. OK we have had storms..... Then supply and demand, after all people take vacations around Memorial Day... Now, (this week) we got plenty of gas and oil and they said the other night supply and demand was not driving this one, it was speculators.

    Don't seem take any more than a soft wind to start the fleecing. And yes the oil companies always manage to turn in record breaking profits. Its a shame we can't get people in office that will start to move toward using what we have here instead of relying on foreign oil.

    My heart and prayers go out to those suffering in Japan. I'm not really worried about prices in ammo rising. If there is a worst case, I might get back into black powder shooting a little more. Got plenty of that cached.
     
  16. mes227

    mes227 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2011
    Messages:
    203
    Location:
    Incline Village, NV
    And don't forget potassium iodine tablets as the "cure" for fallout contamination (though the cure can be as bad as the disease).

    As to lead costs, world-wide production is between 8 and 10 million tonnes annually (the data is a bit sketchy because a lot of production is secondary that comes from non-lead mining (i.e., as a bi-product from zinc, etc). A lot of lead from mining gets disposed of as a waste because the market is often very soft and, as a bi-product, it's easier to disposal of than try and sell. Thus, even if there were a bump in demand production would quickly fill the void.

    Copper, on the other hand, has been in short supply for several years, and we've seen the price rise from the $0.60-$0.80/lb range (where it sat for almost a decade) to $4.50 currently. As the world economy starts to recover copper prices - which has an inelastic supply in the short term as new mines take almost 10 years to bring on line - could rise sharply.

    A much bigger issue is not the repair (or more likely decommissioning) of this one nuclear power plant but rather the 130 new plants in the planning stages around the world.

    I agree with the humanitarian comments herein and in my view the issue isn't ammo prices but rather the cost of reconstruction, as there will be limited money (there always is) and higher costs will prolong the suffering. At an estimated damage level of $180 billion (per ASCE this week) there will be acute shortages of essentially all construction materials in the region for several years. On a less humanitarian note, investing in futures of portland cement might be a wise move.
     
  17. Larry Ashcraft

    Larry Ashcraft Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    11,628
    Location:
    Home of Heroes, Pueblo, CO, USA
    This one is going nowhere good, and was a real stretch in the first place (off topic).
     
  18. JShirley

    JShirley Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2002
    Messages:
    20,947
    Location:
    Atlanta
    This is a popular, and completely incorrect, idea. Educated and experienced opinions are significantly more valuable than Joe Sixpack's.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page