Real hunters and shooters need to stand up to the NRA

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Ray Schoenke of the gun grabbing (ban ugly guns and .30-30 "cop killing bullets") weasels at AHSA runs his mouth about the NRA and its supposed crusade against Jim Zumbo. :barf: :barf:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2003626251_rayschoenke20.html

BEFORE today's presidential candidates go courting the National Rifle Association for support (witness Mitt Romney's sudden enrollment), they should be aware of the case of Jim Zumbo. One of nation's most famous and respected hunting and outdoors journalists, Zumbo was professionally assassinated by NRA hysteria for simply uttering a single and — many hunters would say — reasonable point of view.

Returning from a weekend hunting trip in which he witnessed people using semiautomatic, military-style weapons to hunt varmints, Zumbo dashed off a column for his blog on Outdoor Life in which he played devil's advocate, suggesting these weapons are not appropriate for hunting.

The reaction was swift — and brutal. The NRA whipped up a frenzy on the blogosphere, where a rabid fringe element of the hunting community denounced Zumbo in the harshest terms, even attacking his patriotism. Bowing to the intense pressure, Outdoor Life magazine fired Zumbo from his writing job, where he had won a huge following. The gun-company sponsors of Zumbo's highly rated weekly television show promptly pulled their support, thus killing the program. The NRA very publicly suspended all ties with Zumbo and cited the incident as a warning to anyone — "even fellow gun owners" — who might cross its powerful lobby.

This incident is regrettable not only because it publicly humiliated an honorable sportsman, but also because it suggests that hunters and shooters are vindictive, close-minded zealots. Nothing could be further from the truth. Hunters and shooters are passionate about the Second Amendment, but we are not fascists. We recognize that reasonable people can disagree on reasonable issues.

For instance, in a 2003 hunters poll by Field & Stream, the majority of hunters (67 percent) considered assault-styled rifles as not legitimate sporting arms. The NRA knows this, which is why it moved so quickly to preempt any debate — and threaten any sportsman who dared express another opinion.

When the NRA can destroy a man like Zumbo for making a single observation that is actually embraced by a majority of sportsmen, it's time for all genuine sportsmen and women to ask a few basic questions:

If the NRA's leaders can turn on a hunting legend like Zumbo simply for engaging in a reasonable and rational discussion of a growing issue, what can they do to you and me? Is this the type of organization sportsmen should look to for leadership? Is this the organization political candidates should cozy up to?

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The NRA didn't have a darn thing to do with this, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good bashfest, Ray. I think you must have gotten your fanny kicked on the football field too many times.
 
Seems like there is a bit of a movement lately to SPLIT all of us, IE the 'gun nuts' on side with their class IIIs and 'assault weapons', and the 'hunters and target shooters' on the other.

From what I can read, the grabbers in disguise seem to want guns to be a privlage for the elite, like it is in europe.
 
It's kind of funny, and disgusting at the same time, that any time the pro-gun community speaks out it's automatically the NRA doing it. The NRA tends to get a lot of credit AND criticism that it doesn't deserve.
 
If you're gonna comment to any newspaper which ran this column--or runs it, later: Point out that the whole deal broke open on a (?) Friday night/Saturday morning, and that the NRA offices were closed. By Monday morning, Zumbo was toast--before any NRA people could comment one way or another.

It was a great example of both the influence of Internet websites and blogs, and the rapidity of spread of info across a broad spectrum of interest groups.

Art
 
AHSA is a false flag operation.

Period, full stop, end of story.

We are quite right to point that out every time they open their yap in their search for support.
 
"Seems like there is a bit of a movement lately to SPLIT all of us"

Unfortunately, a tactic that has been used very successfully in the past few years in many areas.
 
There was a piece last Sunday, March 11, by Washington Post outdoor writer Angus Phillips. He's an anti-NRA guy and supports the AHSA. He went on about how terrible Zumbo was treated and how the NRA doesn't represent everyone on guns, etc. I guess the WP just had to get their $.02 in on the issue.
 
HELP from Seattle or WA Shooters

I started a different thread with a response to Ol' Ray's article, I'm hoping a Seattle or WA shooter will submit the response so that it has more credence (than it would from me responding from Maryland).

AHSA has chosen my hometown to set up shop, so I try to help refute their crap whenever I can.

Michael
 
"The NRA whipped up a frenzy on the blogosphere, where a rabid fringe element of the hunting community denounced Zumbo in the harshest terms, even attacking his patriotism."

It was over and done with before the NRA even got involved.
 
Elitists like Ray just don't get it....

The so-called 'Assault Rifles' that disgust him use the same caliber ammunition that his sacred hunting rifle uses! - - if the anti-gun people ban the 'Assault Rifles' they're going to come after his hunting rifle next!

I enjoy shooting my DMPS Panther LR308 a helluva lot more than the Remmington bolt-action 308 sitting in the closet. Both rifles use the same caliber ammo, and that caliber has killed a few white tales and hogs over the years.

:banghead:
 
Those AHSA Quislings are no different from the '80s vintage NFA Quislings, and will dry up and blow away in similar fashion. Their whining about Zumbo's just desserts only unites and angers gunowners more.
 
Hrmmm, funny that he didn't link to the article in question. Then people might have actually seen the call for a ban, the comparison to terrorists, etc.

I also chuckle because I remember several people asking "where's the NRA, why haven't they jumped on this?" while the "frenzy" was happening.
 
"Seems like there is a bit of a movement lately to SPLIT all of us, IE the 'gun nuts' on side with their class IIIs and 'assault weapons', and the 'hunters and target shooters' on the other. "

Most of the target shooting I see takes place with AR15's, M1A's and M1 Garands, except for very long range at 1000 yards, and I use my AR15 for that as well with good results.

We need to establish a culture where left wing politicians, liberal city mayors, anti gun soccermoms and communist newspaper editors fear us more than they hate us. Fear us because we have the power to destroy them politically and financially.
 
"Most of the target shooting I see takes place with AR15's, M1A's and M1 Garands, except for very long range at 1000 yards, and I use my AR15 for that as well with good results."

Heh, I must live in a highly 'good ol boy' area because at my local range they fire nothing but .30-06 hunting rifles (as apposed to the military types you mention).
 
Ratzinger_p38 said:
"Most of the target shooting I see takes place with AR15's, M1A's and M1 Garands, except for very long range at 1000 yards, and I use my AR15 for that as well with good results."

Heh, I must live in a highly 'good ol boy' area because at my local range they fire nothing but .30-06 hunting rifles (as apposed to the military types you mention).


At my local highpower club I am one of the odd ones with an M1. AR15s abound, and this is in California even.

I think that what happened with Zumbo shows the power of the internet. The internet did for world politics what the first pub did for local politics. It gives everyone a place to sit around and gossip about the goings on of everyone else. Now, like any power, there can be both good and bad that come of that.
 
AHSA is a Brady Campaign affiliate, nothing more. It's not trying to split "us" any more than the Brady Campaign itself is trying to split us.
 
On the topic of splitting us up:

Last week it was time for my monthly listen to Rush Limbaugh and he had on Tom Delay to fluff Delay's new book.

One point that Delay made was that the Republicans by nature tend to be individualists and that different party factions did not tend to unify like Democrats. His example was that it was hard to get gun owners to support abortion opponents.

I guess that could even be applied within the gun group itself.
 
There was a 5th Column organization in the 1980's called the National Firearms Association. Basically just like the AHSA- a bunch of prohibitionists trying to pass themselves off as part of the gun culture.

They eventually went out with a whimper when people figured out their shtick.

Same thing should happen to AHSA, who is indeed trying to split the gun culture by confusing the issue among sportsmen who aren't up on the political and technical aspects of the debate as it currently exists.

There is now a new organization going under the name National Firearms Association, but they're a group of NFA activists trying to make headway on issues dealing with machine guns and such.
 
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