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"Rebuild New Orleans - without the poor"

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An article in the Times of London suggests that New Orleans business leaders are lobbying the Mayor to rebuild the city in a different way, leaving out the "projects" and housing for the poor that gave rise to some of its more rancid suburbs. Wonder how much this has to do with the mandatory evacuation - as in "Oops, your old neighborhood had to be bulldozed for sanitary reasons!"???

September 09, 2005

Business elite hopes for a future without the poor

From Giles Whittell in Washington

COULD the new New Orleans be a place of low poverty, low crime, good schools and minimal racial tension? Some affluent exiles, all white, hope so. In a private meeting in Dallas yesterday they urged the mayor, Ray Nagin, to embrace a controversial vision that could transform the city from a Democratic stronghold into a Republican one.

New Orleans will be rebuilt with up to $200 billion (£1.09 billion) in federal aid. It will have to be safer, and on higher ground. But if the business leaders have their way, it will be different in one key respect: fewer poor people.

It would be rebuilt “in a completely different way: demographically, geographically and politically,” James Reiss, an electronics magnate, told The Wall Street Journal. “The way we’ve been living is not going to happen again.”

As the great pump-out continues, the great rethink has begun. Everyone agrees that Hurricane Katrina is an opportunity as well as a disaster, but few have had the nerve to suggest that the mass exodus of the city’s overwhelmingly black poor may be part of that opportunity. One plan calls for an “Afro-Caribbean Paris” to emerge, with broad new boulevards, electric trolleybuses and a riverfront park. Another sees it as a new Las Vegas.

Most of the 100,000 residents who lived on or near the poverty line, have been removed. Thousands have found jobs and homes elsewhere. Some will never return, and this historic shift is being built into projections for the future.

“About half the dispersed population is likely never to come back,” Mary Comerio of the University of California at Berkeley said. “It will change the character of New Orleans.”

If it is like Mr Reiss’s neighbourhood, it will be more salubrious. He lives in a gated community near Audubon Park, which has been hit by fires but not flooding. He returned after the hurricane by helicopter and flew in an Israeli security firm to guard his community, according to the Journal.

But as the city’s business elite plots its future, it might reflect that lawlessness, broadly defined, made New Orleans different — and that was priceless.
 
Yep, the moon-bats over at DU have been up in arms over this all day. Can't say as I blame them really, what with the [CENSORED] going on with the gun confiscations and mandatory evacuations.

I've a better idea. Instead of NO being rebuild w/o the poor, how about it gets rebuilt w/o a government. The one there has obviously gone bad long ago.
 
New Orleans will be rebuilt with up to $200 billion (£1.09 billion) in federal aid.

:what:

I didn't realize that the exchange rate was THAT bad.....

I think I may have a few assorted pound notes laying around & a bunch of coins from my trip years ago. I might even be able to afford a .50 cal at that rate. Will their postal system accept mint stamps as well? I think I have some of those from my teenage collecting years that I'm willing to trade in.

This could work out really well :cool: .
 
I didn't realize that the exchange rate was THAT bad.....
It's not, the decimal place is in the wrong spot. It should be "$200 billion (£109 billion)." Current exchange rate is £0.544 pounds to $1, or $1.838 to £1.

Edit: Just realized you were probably referring to it as a typo... :eek:
 
They should not build back the projects. These socialist idealist housing hell holes do not need to be built again. They trap the people living there in poverty and crime. Please not more USSR "projects". The word makes me ill. This Great Society central planning of housing needs to never be repeated in the USA. LET MY PEOPLE GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
ok, so rebuild NO without the poor. we are doing a great job here, states from the south all the way up here in the northeast have received a massive influx of poor uneducated welfare leeching "refugees". F NO.
 
You're right Preacherman, but I bet I know how it will be done.

"Oops, your old neighborhood had to be bulldozed for sanitary reasons!"

No excuses needed, when there's eminent domain:

The United States Supreme Court’s decision allows both the federal and local governments to condemn and seize private property and give it to another private party, where the justification is "economic development."

Hmmmm...... any takers? :D


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What the city fathers and urban planners should be more concerned with is the (tens of) thousands of middle class people and footloose (not location dependent) businesses moving away. As is you'll probably see entire neighborhoods being bulldozed anyway, but I agree there should be compensation for that.

Trying to keep the 'poor' out is flat out impossible. Trying to is IMO a good recipe for shantytowns or Mugabe-style bulldozing. The cure is much worse than the 'disease'.

Now, how about offering NOLA's displaced 'poor' a place in a 'workfare' program? Some training as a rubble clearer and then out to clear debris. Anyone who doesn't work only gets 60% of their 'welfare'. Let them work for their supper.

Cheers,
ErikM :evil:
 
Trying to "rebuild" a culture within this country, Iraq or other place is nearly
impossible unless you start with the very young and it sounds like that is what
is being talked about here. I grew up in a place of high poverty/welfare it is
a different world people live in fear of being removed from that world and like
children they look to be protected. I believe it can happen with any race and
it can be passed down from generation to generation. NO will change and it
will depend on it's leaders just how much they want it to.
 
Last nights late night news they mentioned they'll have to destroy over 200,000 homes to get rid of the toxic waste. I'd venture a guess that number doesn't include those mansions that are being watched by armed guards. They'll have to have some housing for the poor, they'll need maids, bus boys, janitors, etc. but it won't be anywhere near the numbers that hung out there pre-Katrina.
 
All I think they are doing is rebuilding the city to be like most other US cities, rather than a magnet and sink hole for the relentlessly poor and criminally minded.

"Poor", in this case, is code for "marauding gangs of angry, racist black youth" and "generation upon generation of bone-idle welfare queens", rather than just meaning people who are temporarily at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder.

G
 
Without the poor, uneducated masses in NO, the Democratic Party in LA would lose it's stranglehold on LA politics. They ain't gonna let that happen. If necessary, they'll bus in folks from other states.
 
I'd venture a guess that number doesn't include those mansions that are being watched by armed guards.

I dare say you're right, since the wealthy in New Orleans avoided low ground, and so their mansions are for the most part high and dry. Bulldozing them because of toxic waste someplace else might be egalitarian, but it would be egalitarian stupidity.
 
Without the poor, uneducated masses in NO, the Democratic Party in LA would lose it's stranglehold on LA politics. They ain't gonna let that happen. If necessary, they'll bus in folks from other states.

No need for that. I'm sure they can find a million Mexicans who'd love to live in Louisian and get rebuilding jobs--and vote Democratic.
 
What they are planning is nothing new- they simply got "lucky" and got a storm and flood to speed it up- not to mention tens of billions of Federal $ to do it. The new "Urban Demographic Distribution Plan" being implemented these days in many cities, is designed to ditribute the poor evenly across more affluent neighorhoods. It takes the financial burden off of the city and puts it on the backs of the suburbanites, who have to pick up the tab to build new schools, hire police, build jails, etc. The plan also eliminates huge ghetto areas and allows for high tax dollar generation through construction of high rent housing and commercial development. Believe me, HUD is coming to a suburb close to you soon.
 
Well this is just another example of government planning. The New Society "Projects" failed very badly and ruined a generation of peoples lives. This is also why I am glad at least I have the good sense to not live within any type of government entity except USA, STATE then county. That is about as far aways as you can get from futher government nannyship. It will probably prove in the future to not be adequate. :what:
 
Actually I believe a big chunk of that land is public housing that all ready is owned by the government. Next someone will want to place the blame for it being in such a hazardous area on Bush. :scrutiny:
 
Actually I believe a big chunk of that land is public housing that all ready is owned by the government.

Maybe they do it differently over there, but around here low income housing is usually owned by private citizens, and the government subsidizes the rent of the tenents.

In other words, say im a property owner. I rent 5 units to low-income people at $800/month the tenents have qualified for government assistance and they only pay $200, the government sends me a check for the remainder.
 
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