Reccomend trigger and best upgrades for DPMS AR15 AP4

[Tibu]

Well I decided to not fool around with the stock trigger and just but a "kit". The rifle cannot and will not be used for SHTF or HD purposes (I'd earn myself a go straight to jail do not pass go ticket ). The rifle is just for putting holes on paper. Right now the longest range I can practice on is just 100yds so it also ins't for super long range firing. So please chime in and recommend something BASED ON FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE ONLY PLEASE. For a first time rifle shooter, all the trigger options make me kinda dizzy and I really wouldn't know which ones are best for what I intend to use the rifle for. Also the rifle is a DPMS AP4 carbine.


Also, I realize that DPMS is definitely not one of the most popular brands out there. It really was an impulse buy as the price was sorta too good TBH. So the question is; What would you change or add to this rifle in order to make it more accurate/reliable in order of greatest bang for buck? The rifle already has a hogue grip and rubber recoil pad.

Your help/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 

[navajo]

trigger

My Bushmaster came with a McCormick drop in and it works great.

Many choices, look around.

 

[taliv]

i have used two jewel 2-stage triggers and while they've both failed on me at one point or another, for putting holes on paper, they feel pretty friggin sweet. i have yet to feel anything better. and they're a little cheaper than they used to be.

i also have 2 rock river 2-stage triggers (stock, not the white oak tuned ones) and love them. probably the best bang for buck.

i just received my JP single stage match trigger a few weeks ago and have dry fired it a bunch, but not put any rounds down the barrel. it feels very good so far.

 

[Blackfork]

AR triggers.

I've shot M16A2 burst triggers a lot while teaching the army. Very hard to shoot unless you have proper trigger technique. Most folks don't. I'm not a fan of that trigger.

I've got Jewels in both my CMP Service rifles. I prefer the Jewel, since you have to make trigger weight in a lot of service rifle matches if you win. The Jewel is adjustable without removing, so as it ages and gets light, you can add weight and not have to take it out and bend springs.

I had a Bushmaster two-stage, twice. Sent it back when the first stage dissapeared the first time. Sold the lower the second time.

I have a Krieger-Milazzo. It's light, but it's a great two-stage. It's in a shorty AR since it won't hold weight for very long. I like it in that gun, but it's not for shooting NRA or CMP matches. It's probably down to about 2 1/2 lbs at present.

Distinguished, twice Louisana State Champ. Current Texas Highpower Champion. Regional wins, team wins, usually competitive. All with Jewels in CMP configured service rifle.

 

[Dienekes]

I have installed Jard non-adjustables in three carbines. Not having tried all the others my results are hardly scientific--but compared with stock Bushmaster triggers this unit is a very substantial improvement. It's better than my NM Garand or NM modded M1A, and those are pretty good.

Other than a compact ACOG it's the best thing I have done to that rifle. Come to think of it, those are the only things (except for the addition of a d-fender) I have done to it. Which is probably why it works so well.

 

[P-32]

It appears Black Fork shoots a little better than I do but I use RRA's 2 stage trigger after it's been tuned by White Oak. A stock RRA 2 stage works well right out of the box too. These are available for about $90.00 from Brownells. RRA 2 stage triggers do not have the same issues as the Bushmaster 2 stage.

A 2 stage triggger has 2 stages. Stage 1 takes up the slack and most of the trigger pull weight with the 2nd stage breaking clean like a glass rod. If a person needs to pull through both all at once, it's still only about a 4 1/2 to 5 lbs pull.

In case you've shot a M-1 or a M-14/M-1a, they both have 2 stage triggers.

 

[Tibu]

No I haven't shot an M14/M1A (though I want to). In fact this is my first rifle.

So for target shooting a 2 stage trigger is the way to go I gather?

 

[Slugless]

Keep the original

It's counterintuitive but a new high-end trigger can make your rifle less accurate. First hand? Not my rifle but I've laid hands on it. The rifle in question is an AR-10 by Armalite, owned and upgraded by a professional gunsmith (& a good one, his trigger jobs are fantastic). I don't know what trigger he put in it because it's a very sore subject with him. Upgrade - 99+% of the time you'll be happy - but by all means but keep the original.

 

[Slamfire]

John Holliger's (White Oak Precision) tuned Rock River trigger was a best buy, and I have two of them in my AR's. Mr. Holliger tunes them in his AR, and all you do is install them. Fantasic trigger. Have been using the same one in my space gun at the National Matches at Camp Perry since 2003.


I don't like single stage triggers. I think the best trigger I have ever seen is the Garand/M14 two stage trigger. It is very rugged and very safe. The good AR two stage triggers are functionally similiar to the Garand two stage.

There is a lot of sear engagement in a well designed two stage trigger, and that first stage just moves that sear so that only a tiny amount is holding the hammer on the final pull. Trying to get a similiar crisp pull on a single stage trigger does not leave enough sear surface for reliable functioning. Also, most single stage triggers have a lot more contact pressure on the surfaces, leading to early wear.

The Mauser two stage trigger, on the Mauser M98, is about the most durable trigger mechanism around. You can bayonet, buttstroke, and the trigger won't jar off, or loose its adjustments. Try that with any commerical single stage trigger! Dropping a commerical bolt gun will override the trigger mechanism with an alarming frequency. On some rifles, people get shot just taking the safety off.

As for DPMS quality, I have never really heard anything bad about the rifles, you should have a good product. DPMS makes good stuff, though I only have some of their piece parts.

 

[Omnivore]

The best AR trigger I've used by far was the Rock River Arms.

 

[Chris Rhines]

I've got thousands of rounds on two different JP Enterprises single-stage triggers. Neither one has ever given me any trouble.

I don't care for two-stage triggers, but I have had good luck with the White Oak Armament/Rock River Arms trigger.

- Chris

 

[SoCalShooter]

Geissele builds match triggers you can get a military weight or a match trigger. Its 299 for a trigger. BTW I use a dpms match upper and it shoots and works great.

 

[kennedy]

I have to agree with the JP single stage trigger, bought one used on the internet for my armilite, the best I have ever shot

 

[Tibu]

Ouch... dunno if I can convince myself to spend $300 on a trigger. Right now the White oak tuned RRA trigger seems like a safe bet. Jard also seems to have a wide variety of triggers and they are well priced so, I'll have to make up my mind.

 

[Chris Rhines]

In the practical shooting crowd, we call Jard triggers "double-or-nothings." It's the one trigger I'd recommend you stay far away from.

- Chris

 

[ssr]

For your purposes I would suggest a Rock River 2 stage NM trigger. I would just use a stock one to start.

You can order from RR or try Adco Firearms. They are good to deal with and ship fast.