Recoil 270 verus 30/06

[Gordon]

I did this test a couple years ago. It is very real world but pretty un scientific!
I have 2 1952 Winchester Model 70s one in 30-06 and one in .270. Both had he usual Pachy Recoil pads added sometime in the distant past. I had found a nice 1952 stock with the original inletted metal butt plate intact. I wanted to see which gun got the return to factory look to enhance it's value. Both guns have Warne mounts and I switched a Leupold 1.75x6 scope in Warnes lever rings between them to keep the weight within 3 oz the same for the test. Using Coreloktd Rem 150 grain ammo in each I shot 20 rounds out of each switching the stock to the metal butt one. This is a testament to early Model 70 craftsmanship that the stocks were interchangeable for all practical purposes.
Well to cut to the chase, the 30-06 was CLEARLY the worst kicker with a felt recoil about 20-25% greater IMHO. My .270 has the steel butt stock these days, for a few shots hunting it is plenty tolerable for me.

 

[padd54]

If I had your limitation, I would just add a muzzle brake to the one I preferred.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Well to cut to the chase, the 30-06 was CLEARLY the worst kicker with a felt recoil about 20-25% greater IMHO.

I'm sorry, but simple physics does not support that conclusion. Not sayin that that's not what you subjectively experienced, but....

 

[ArmedBear]

Internal ballistics could be a tad different, but not THAT different -- unless the powder was different.

It sounds like, if that's what it felt like, the ammo maker probably used a very different type of powder. I'd still wonder about 20-25%, but I can imagine there'd be a difference.

However, if I loaded rounds with the same weight bullet, same powder, in such similar guns, I sincerely doubt I'd experience such a difference.

 

[Col. Plink]

All I know is, you give my Mossberg 100ATR 30'06 any room to move and it's going to kick the crap out of you. In all fairness, though, its synthetic stock makes it very light. Even held tightly to the shoulder it got in there and just plain hurt . My fault, though, and held tightly closer to the chest was OK but still quite substantial. A little embarased to say I'm shopping for a limbsaver now...

 

[Reid73]

a family friend had an 06, and every single time he shot it, it knocked his hat off.

Oh come on!

A little embarased to say I'm shopping for a limbsaver now

No need for embarrassment. There is nothing 'manly' about getting the snot kicked out of you.

 

[Water-Man]

The 6.5x55 Swede might serve you best.

 

[crawdaddy]

I may get slammed for this, but have you thought about something like a Limb saver recoil pad?

 

[rcmodel]

I've never seen a .270 push a 150 gr at 2,930 fp/s.

Well I have some load manuals that list loads in that velocity range.

But I just picked the .270 & 30-06 loads out of a Winchester ammo catalog for a basis of comparison.

They list a .270 150 Supreme at 2,930, as well as a .270 150 Power-Point Plus at 2,950. Both from a 24" barrel.

I used the lower of the two to compare to the closest 150 30-06 load in the same catalog.

rc

 

[woof]

For low recoil I don't understand why you would consider either a .270 or an 06 unless the deer are way out there. The vast majority of whitetails are shot at under 100 yards where the .30-30 is perfect. Another option I like is the 7mm-08 because remington makes an excellent managed recoil load for it - less recoil than .30-30 and flatter. This round, based on personal experience, performs better on whitetails than the full power load at 100 yds. And you always have the option of using the full power loads for greater distance or larger game.

 

[kyarcher]

[QUOTEAnother option I like is the 7mm-08 because remington makes an excellent managed recoil load for it - less recoil than .30-30 and flatter. This round, based on personal experience, performs better on whitetails than the full power load at 100 yds. And you always have the option of using the full power loads for greater distance or larger game.[/QUOTE]

I just ordered a 7mm-08 Weatherby Vanguard Sporter from Bud's Firearms. Suppose to be in Monday. Thanks for all the help....

 

[Arkel23]

Well I have some load manuals that list loads in that velocity range.

But I just picked the .270 & 30-06 loads out of a Winchester ammo catalog for a basis of comparison.

They list a .270 150 Supreme at 2,930, as well as a .270 150 Power-Point Plus at 2,950. Both from a 24" barrel.

I used the lower of the two to compare to the closest 150 30-06 load in the same catalog.

rc

Maybe I should start reloading for my .300 wby mag.

 

[ArmedBear]

If you have a .300 Wby Mag, reloading is a no-brainer.

The equipment will pay for itself really quickly, and you can get great performance from a great caliber.

 

[nathan]

on a bolt action, I felt more kick on the .270 for some reason. That was many years ago .

 

[Ben Shepherd]

That 243 you're thinking on would be an excellent choice.....

Put on a limbsaver recoil pad, and use a tough 90-100 grain slug. Excellent light recoiling deer rifle.

 

[usmc1371]

what about the managed recoil loads for 30-06? I have shot a fair amount of 270 and 30-06 out of ruger M77's and can't really tell a dif with 150g loads. the 25-06 is a nice one to try but for deer a 243 would be just fine and kick very little.

Will a 243 with a muzle breake and limb saver pad actuly have negitive recoil? JK

Also a small cal rifle that weighs less will be alot easier to carry around with a bum neck vs making a larger cal rifle heavy to tame the recoil.

 

[76shuvlinoff]

I may get slammed for this, but have you thought about something like a Limb saver recoil pad?

You won't get slammed from me. With a torn up shoulder from a motorcycle wreck I have a limbsaver on a 30-30.

 

[Ben Shepherd]

Those "managed recoil" loads basically duplicate a 30-30 load, and poi/poa is WILDLY(like 12 inches or more)lower than a standard velocity load with a spire point bullet at 100 yards.

Not saying that that in and of itself is bad, as I got good groups with them in both 30-06 and 308 when I tried them. But make triple sure your scope is zeroed for the load in the chamver when you go after a living creature......

 

[blackops]

If I had your limitation, I would just add a muzzle brake to the one I preferred.

Good idea, but remember ear protection will be mandatory with a brake. Do not look at the 30-30, waste of time.

 

[handle02]

I have a .270 and a .243 both are great guns.I've killed alot of deer with each.The .243 kills them just as dead as the .270 or .30/06 will, and give you less recoil in return.

 

[blackbearaddict]

270 with a wooden stock, if you dont mind semi thats an option too, also brownings B.O.S.S. system extremely cuts down on recoil ( my dad has a .300 mag with a boss and semi and it kicks less than a .257)

 

[Maverick223]

Do not look at the 30-30, waste of time.

Definitely not my favorite cartridge, but how do you figure it is a waste of time? It has killed more deer than any other cartridge in NA (and likely the world). It has more than enough power, is readily available, is proven, and has a good enough trajectory for most hunting conditions.

I think the .243 is a magnificent cartridge, as is the 7mm-'08 and the .308. Stick with the '08 case size and I think you will do much better than a '06 case.

 

[kyarcher]

Thanks for all your suggestions. I bought a Weatherby Vanguard Sporter in 7mm-08. Now I have to find a scope base.

 

[bdg146]

Congratulations on the new rifle. I always liked the wood stocks better...

I just purchased a 7mm-08 myself, and I love mine. Great caliber.

I never like to limit myself to one rifle (too many other ones out there! ). My secondary, shorter-range, easy-to-carry-through-the-woods gun is a 44 mag lever action. If you're not shooting very far, there's another caliber that is easy on the shoulder in a rifle.

 

[SpeedAKL]

If you have problems with recoil, the difference won't be enough to matter. Try something like the .260 Remington, a good deer round which knocks about 5 ft-lbs of recoil off the .270 or -06

Edit: that's what happens when I don't scroll down all the way! Beautiful rifle, the Vanguard is good stuff. Have fun!