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I've been loading a lot of 10mm 180gn in various bullet types. I'm placing an order with MBC for some of their 200gn Steelers. Out of 6 manuals none list 200gn lead, 180 is the highest.

Blue Dot is my preferred powder but I also have 800x, 231 and bullseye. Lyman 49th list these for 175g lead.

Thanks.
 
My question is, if all 6 of your manuals lacked data for a 200gr lead bullet for the 10mm why did you order a 200gr bullet for loading in your 10mm?

If you're going to load lead bullet I highly suggest you buy the Lyman 4th Edition Cast Bullet Handbook. They supply a ton of load data and other information on lead bullets.
In that manual they supply 10mm load data for an RCBS#10mm-200 SWC bullet with Blue Dot. The charge weights are 8.6gr to 9.6gr compressed, BUT, always check the data for yourself when someone on the NET supplies it. Start low and work up.
 
I had a couple hundred 200gr .401's a while back. I loaded up some sweet shooters with 4.5gr of 231. Nice and soft. I never push lead hard though, if it was jacketed I would suggest something with AA9 or 2400 with higher pressures. Blue dot is rather slow too as you know.
If you are looking for something powerful you are probably best to work up some loads and look for leading and pressure signs.
 
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My question is, if all 6 of your manuals lacked data for a 200gr lead bullet for the 10mm why did you order a 200gr bullet for loading in your 10mm?

If you're going to load lead bullet I highly suggest you buy the Lyman 4th Edition Cast Bullet Handbook. They supply a ton of load data and other information on lead bullets.
In that manual they supply 10mm load data for an RCBS#10mm-200 SWC bullet with Blue Dot. The charge weights are 8.6gr to 9.6gr compressed, BUT, always check the data for yourself when someone on the NET supplies it. Start low and work up.
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Thank you, I've acted on your suggestion and have bought the Lyman 4th edition, I've also bid on a copy of the 3rd edition.

When I placed the order with MBC I never expected not to find load data in 1 of my 6 manuals. Including 3 different Lyman reloading manuals.

Thank you all.
 
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I had a couple hundred 200gr .401's a while back. I loaded up some sweet shooters with 4.5gr of 231. Nice and soft. I never push lead hard though, if it was jacketed I would suggest something with AA9 or 2400 with higher pressures. Blue dot is rather slow too as you know.
If you are looking for something powerful you are probably best to work up some loads and look for leading and pressure signs.
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Thank you. For hot 10mm I use Hornady XTPs, or Sierra JHP or RMR heavy plated bullets. I like lead for mild to moderate loads and for a less expensive bullet.

I don't remember seeing 2400 for use in 10mm. That is my "go to" powder for .357 & .44 magnum loads.
 
I also agree with ArchAngelCD.
If no one has data for a certain bullet, or certain powder, why would any one buy it?

Without data it means 1 of 2 things.
1. It's not a recommended combination, perhaps even dangerous.
2. No one else thought it was a good idea. then you have to ask why.

Not trying to flame anyone, just hoping to get everyone to avoid pitfalls.
 
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I don't remember seeing 2400 for use in 10mm. That is my "go to" powder for .357 & .44 magnum loads.
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As you found out there are not a bunch of loads for anything over
180gr, but there are some! Don't remember which book, but there are 220gr jacketed bullets and loads for 10mm, and 2400 could probably fit the bill nicely. I've never done it though!
 
I have a question, if this one belongs in a seperate thread, I apoligize in advance. I will move it or erase it.

Somebody mentioned it as being okay to use jacketed bullet data for lead bullets. Because of leading issues and other problems, wouldn't lead data only be safe for jacketed bullets?
 
It is also an accepted practice to use jacketed load data for lead bullets (but not the other way around).
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No, it isnt. Whoever said it is was wrong.

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Somebody mentioned it as being okay to use jacketed bullet data for lead bullets. Because of leading issues and other problems, wouldn't lead data only be safe for jacketed bullets?
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See above.
 
MikeS,
I didn't say a 200gr bullet was bad for the 10mm, I was only wondering why you would order it if no data was available. You already answered that question and you made sense.

Usually if there is no data for a cartridge/bullet combination there is a very good reason. Of course these days that does not hold true with lead bullets. Shooters and in turn load manuals are turning away from lead so we need to use dedicated data sources like the Lyman 4th Edition Cast Handbook.

Mike, you can find a lot of older manuals on Amazon.com and I agree with you're looking for a Lyman 3rd Edition Cast Handbook although it wouldn't be a disaster if you can't get one since the 4th Edition is very good. You will notice Lyman for the first time ever added load data for molds other than theirs in the Cast Handbook, data that isn't in Lyman 49.
 
No, it isnt. Whoever said it is was wrong.
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I am 100% correct in that you can use jacketed data for lead bullets. I have done it for years safely and many other people have as well. I would love to see any evidence showing to the opposite.

Somebody mentioned it as being okay to use jacketed bullet data for lead bullets. Because of leading issues and other problems, wouldn't lead data only be safe for jacketed bullets?
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Lead data for jacketed bullets is generally not a good idea. Some companies (namely Accurate/Ramshot) offer loads for lead bullet load data which goes above the max load for jacketed bullets because lead (being softer) can be pushed down a barrel with less pressure forming behind it (hence Jacket load data for lead being safe because it will result in less pressure than using the jacketed bullet). Other companies (namely hodgdon) will often recommend very light load data for lead bullets because not all lead bullets can be pushed as fast as jacketed. Plus there is no shortage of jacketed load data anyway.
 
I am 100% correct in that you can use jacketed data for lead bullets. I have done it for years safely and many other people have as well. I would love to see any evidence showing to the opposite.
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No you are not. You can say you are all you want, but you are not.

edit: let me rephrase that to "You should not." There is no blanket statement of "its perfectly fine." It may be with one load and not with another. In no reloading manual I have ever seen does it tell you that its acceptable to do this. Its not something that is "generally accepted."
 
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The main thing bout using jacketed data for lead of the same weight is that lead will not build up the pressure (friction or neck tension) that jacketed will. You might get more velocity not not more pressure. So yes it is OK to do. I will not say 100% or absolutely but look at the known charge weights for similar weight and shaped bullets.

Just for example Hodgdon online lists for 200 gr fmj and HP 38 a max of 5.6 grains

Lyman for a 175 grain cast (10:1 alloy. around 11BHN)) lists 6.5 max.

For the OP, Lyman Cast 4th lists 200 grain in bullet data for the 10:1 alloy which is softer than the #2 alloy used in the 175 gr but that little 5 grain difference is no big deal. It lists data for your Blue Dot,

The MBC bullets are hard 18BHN
 
No you are not. You can say you are all you want, but you are not.

edit: let me rephrase that to "You should not." There is no blanket statement of "its perfectly fine." It may be with one load and not with another. In no reloading manual I have ever seen does it tell you that its acceptable to do this. Its not something that is "generally accepted."
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That just goes to show that you shouldn't be giving advice on the subject. I don't randomly interject myself on subjects I have no experience with, and you shouldn't either.
 
That just goes to show that you shouldn't be giving advice on the subject. I don't randomly interject myself on subjects I have no experience with, and you shouldn't either.
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I have plenty of experience with reloading. I have more than enough to know that NO MANUAL recommends using jacketed data with any lead bullet, any time you want to. Thats false info that can be dangerous and you spread it around like its a commonly accepted practice it isnt. No where did I say that "I didnt know" anything. I said that it may be safe with one load and not another. Please read and fully comprehend before running your mouth.

If you want to start trading insults take it to another forum, thats not what this one is about.
 
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