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I Bought My New Paintgun

My final decision was to spring for a new Smart Parts Ion for $200. The final cost with a Halo B with RipDrive ($125) and a regular aluminum 48/3000 Pure Energy Tank was over $400.

I actually talked to 3 guys who were trying to sell their used Ions. They all wanted more for their used guns than the guns cost new - one wanted $85 more! Stupid kids - I got quotes from 3 local stores and all were cheaper than what these geniuses wanted.

O.K., here are some observations after playing with the Ion for a day.

PROS:

O.K., this gun shoots wicked fast. It will pump out 17 balls per second in semi-automode, and it has a 3 round burst and full auto mode which I think is like 30 balls per second! Just squeezing the trigger in full auto mode sounds scary!

This gun is way more reliable than my ancient Nelspot 007 pump. It has "eyes", which means it actually has a laser which detects if there is a ball in the chamber ready to fire.

The Halo B hopper - it failed to feed electrically on my second game. But, using the RipDrive to manually feeed my balls, I was back into action in seconds. This was probably due to my inexperience with my new gear. It fed reliably for the rest of the day, and even took some wicked hits during a firefight. But, the cool thing is when i was really pumping out paint, you could hear that electric motor going, loading paint...man, I felt like I was firing a minigun lol!

Players respect this gun! When you go on the field with one of these, you already have a psychological edge if you are playing against walk on noobs with rental guns.

CONS:

This gun has a hair trigger. I have been shooting since I was 9 and I'm 45 now and I've never had an accidental discharge in all that time. In one day with this gun I must of had at least 6 different accidental discharges. The gun does have an adjustable trigger; I'm going to try to adjust it to have a heavier trigger pull. Right now it probably has like a 6 oz. trigger pull!

The gun's accuracy with the stock barrel is just so-so. It's not awful, but my old Nelspot is more accurate (with a longer aftermarket barrel).

O.K., some of these cons are more from the point of view of using the paintgun as a training tool for serious social encounters.

I hate the fact that the hopper is right where you iron sights or scope should be. In other words, there is no way to really aim the gun, or even point it by sighting down the barrel like a shotgun. You just point the gun as best you can, shoot balls out, and watch them fly downrange like tracers, then walk them onto target. I dunno about you guys, but I don't fire too many tracers rounds normally, nor can I concieve of any situation where a citizen would be pumping out 17 tracer rounds a second.

The handling/pointing characteristics of this gun are horrible. You can kind of use the tank like a stock, but it's piss poor ergonomically. Length of pull is all wrong, you are trying to rest the bottom of a metal tank on your shoulder where normally there would be a rubber recoil pad, etc.

I don't like the red safety led at all. The old Nelspot had a simple mechanical crossbolt safety. Easy to see or feel if the gun was on safe or not. The Ion has a red flashing led. OK, I'm playin in Southern California in the summer and it's 90 degrees out. The sun is bright! That flashing led gets washed out - especially if you have been hit in the goggles by a few paintballs.

The same goes for the status led of the Halo B electric loader - next to impossible to see it in bright sunlight.

MISC:

This is probably not the fault of Pure Energy, the tank manufacturer, but I felt I should mention this anyway. My tank broke the first time I tried to refill it. Something about an O-ring or a nipple ring busting.

The reason I don't think it's the fault of the manufacturer is that the guys working at the paintball field I played at were total Bozos. The reason I say that is because when I got the gun it was set-up on full auto mode. They only allow semi at this field. I don't know how to change modes in the Ion, so I ask the guys that work there for help. The guy tries to push in the led button with a Phillips screwdriver! And I mean force it! I was horrified and immediately told him to stop! Luckily I had brought the Ion manual with me....

Then, like I said, when I gave them my gun for a refill, they broke my tank to the point that it wouldn't hold any air! At least they had the decency to loan me one of their tanks so I could keep on playing with my Ion.

My other friend's Dye paintball marker had problems, too. He wisely decide not to play at all, other than risk these guys monkeying around with his gun!

The trigger is huge, set up for rapid fire two finger shooting. This is great for the sport of paintball, which of course is what the Ion is all about. However, it's not a good thing if you are trying to replicate a real firearm. I can live with it, though - I try to think of it as an M1A with a winter trigger.

CONCLUSION:

It may seem like I had more negative things to say about the Ion than positive, but the positive things were major (rate of fire and reliablity), and the negative things were minor (except for the hair trigger and iffy safety, a real safety problem in my opinion). Overall, I am happy with the gun, and am looking forward to playing my next game with it soon (after I get my brand new tank repaired, grr.)

One last thing - ya I agree with you guys about pbnation.com. The people there can be damm rude - a lot of kids trying to outcool each other that think they know everything. Everything is "old news" or "just do a search." I had the same experience when I bought a Fast-and-Furious-type car and started asking questions on one of their websites. Totally rude punks with nothing to offer other than hive-mind mentality answers or smart ass insults. When I deal with the older guys who run classic muscle cars, the people are insanely knowledgable and polite and happy to give you detailed help and answers. It's like day and night.
 
Congrats...

I have heard good things about the ION from a guy at work, but have not personally played with one (I only play with about 5 buddys in the woods and we all have spyders).

I dont know why paintball manufacturers decide to put the hopper right in the line of sight on guns. It drives me crazy. I would guess it is for more reliable feeding, but with electric on higher end guns this should not be an issue. That is another aspect of the MR1 and MR2's that I really liked... the hopper is offset.

Be careful with those ION's though... it seems like it is real easy to put triple the amount of money for the gun into it (said guy at work currently has $650 into his gun and doesnt even have a nitrous tank).
 
Ion Vs. Tippman

I forgot to mention two things:

One, according to the Ion manual the full-auto and 3 round burst mode is not available in Ions sold in England. :barf: Apparently, they even BAN PAINT MARKERS IN ENGLAND.

Two, I forgot to mention the reason why I picked the Ion over the Tippman. New they are almost the same price, and although the Tippman's seem to be as reliably as a Colt 1911, they can't shoot nearly as fast as the Ions can, which is important if you are playing speedball. Also, I couldn't find a used Tippman at a reasonable price, although my friend did ($50 for a 98c). If I coulf have found a used Tippman complete for $150 or less, I would have gone for it.

ZeroCool, since I already have over $400 into the gun, am going to have to pay for a repair, and already have guys trying to talk me into carbon fibre tanks, upgraded boards, and lightened aftermarket bolts, I could see passing the $650 your friend has put into his gun real easy.

A few years ago, if someone told me they spent that much money on a paintgun, I'd of told them they're nuts.
 
after seeing almost everything made used in our local games,most everyone on our 20-30 man woodsball group ( and some nearby groups as well) have mostly gone with the A-5 with response trigger. also, the flatlines are cool, but several of us have shelved or sold our flatlines and gone back to a regular, and more accurate, barrel. for instance the CP one-piece and empire twisters are especially popular.
another point in favor of tipmanns (98's or A5's) is their incredible customer service. if you do have a problem you or the gang can't fix, call tipmann and they'll trouble-shoot the prob over the phone or tell you to just send the gun to them. just a few days later,they'll send it back fixed right, for nothing !!
 
SmartParts Ion, I LOVE THAT GUN by dar the best in its price range, BUT:
Be sure and get a Nitrogen Tank (not Co2) and a Halo Hopper (needed accessorys)
 
i love the markers

i have a few in my collection

heres my latest project mag:
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yip! that one is all my efforts
well, me and Tom Kaye genius

a bit of parts bashing
a bit of body stripping
a bit of rail hacking and anno
;)

this one is partially my work
(i did the 20 round longbow mod)

m1416.jpg
 
I've got the ION....if you got yours new be prepared for air leaks. After I managed to fix all of the air leaks I had with my new ION it's been really good. I use compressed air, it's cheap and shoots consistent when chrono'd. I put an Apex barrel on it. It has the ability to shoot around corners and dive bomb over bunkers, but I never really got any good at it. I just use it for the super long distance shots. On the longest setting, it's supposed to shoot 25ft farther than a flatline barrel. You're right about the hair trigger, I dunno how many times I've shot myself in the foot trying to reload by bumping the gun against my leg or something. Very handy for providing cover fire, and when in a gun fight, I do a manual three round burst and have had no issues missing what I've pointed at. Very good choice. The tippman 98 and A-5's are top choices too. I've played with both of them, and had no problems ever out of them.
 
Thank god you got the ion, because a tippman will leave you disappointed in the long run. I've been playing paintball for years, and I almost went professional. I've own thousands of dollars worth of guns, and the ION is a defiantly a keeper. Matter of fact I wish I could have just bought a couple of ions, it's dead of the marker i mainly use today.

In regards to what loki.fish said, more so then be prepared, be ahead of any problems there might be. Strip it apart, relube it all, then gas her up. www.pbreview.com seemed to be a great site, kinda like PBN (-) the e-cool audience you suffer from there. They should have a forum aside just for IONs here.
 
Players respect this gun! When you go on the field with one of these, you already have a psychological edge if you are playing against walk on noobs with rental guns.

Well that's until they can see you're using a cheaper heavier type of metal tank. Believe me that tank will hold you back, and delay you in certain operations. Like one handed reloading, and switching hands. I consider it a handicap, and it would cause me to not hesitate to push up on, or in worse case bunker you.

CONS:

This gun has a hair trigger. I have been shooting since I was 9 and I'm 45 now and I've never had an accidental discharge in all that time. In one day with this gun I must of had at least 6 different accidental discharges. The gun does have an adjustable trigger; I'm going to try to adjust it to have a heavier trigger pull. Right now it probably has like a 6 oz. trigger pull!

You may think that's a hair trigger, but in the world of paintball it's probably a little far from what most experienced ballers want. My trigger pull weights .25 grams, and I need it like that. I guess you haven't herd of walking the trigger yet. Of the break laning, snap shooting, and self cover require a tapping trigger.

The gun's accuracy with the stock barrel is just so-so. It's not awful, but my old Nelspot is more accurate (with a longer aftermarket barrel).

Actually it's probably a little bit of your imagination, because first of all no marker is ever perfectly accurate, so you always have to evel with the little spread you see.
From what I saw the ion shoots darts with the stock barrel. Also I've gone threw a lot of barrels, some only just 3.5 inches long, and others at 21 inches long. I have never seen a difference is the accuracy due to length. The only benefiting from a longer barrel length in the paintball world is peeping: using the barrel's tip to push the bunker in and out.
Making sure the barrel has smooth honing, and bore matching is what help a lot, but only on days of extreme temperature difference. Cold = Smaller bores, hot humid = Largest bores, for soft warm deformed shells.


O.K., some of these cons are more from the point of view of using the paintgun as a training tool for serious social encounters.

I hate the fact that the hopper is right where you iron sights or scope should be. In other words, there is no way to really aim the gun, or even point it by sighting down the barrel like a shotgun. You just point the gun as best you can, shoot balls out, and watch them fly downrange like tracers, then walk them onto target. I dunno about you guys, but I don't fire too many tracers rounds normally, nor can I concieve of any situation where a citizen would be pumping out 17 tracer rounds a second.

A scope, and or sights is really obsolete on a paintball gun, seeing the balls drop a lot, and most of the playing involves snap shooting. After a while you won't even have to aim, because for the most part you can feel out where your paint is gona land.

The handling/pointing characteristics of this gun are horrible. You can kind of use the tank like a stock, but it's piss poor ergonomically. Length of pull is all wrong, you are trying to rest the bottom of a metal tank on your shoulder where normally there would be a rubber recoil pad, etc.

Oh man, you're a mess. I'm sure on PBR if you take time to check out some NPPL videos, and feedback on how other players play it'll all come threw to you. The best thing to do is handle your marker off range, and spend time every now and than handling it, and practice snap shooting.

MISC:

This is probably not the fault of Pure Energy, the tank manufacturer, but I felt I should mention this anyway. My tank broke the first time I tried to refill it. Something about an O-ring or a nipple ring busting.

Those do break all of the time, so you have to buy a 0-ring kit. Never buy one from a paintball store, because they'll charge you like 1 dollar a ring, and for about 5$ you can get 500 off ebay, or from an oring distributor which you can find out about on PBR.com as well.

The trigger is huge, set up for rapid fire two finger shooting. This is great for the sport of paintball, which of course is what the Ion is all about. However, it's not a good thing if you are trying to replicate a real firearm. I can live with it, though - I try to think of it as an M1A with a winter trigger.

In the long run you're not going to be having fun if you're trying to make a marker look line an m16, because paintball really is a sport of it's own. You'll find that paintball works it's own way far from firearms, and you'll actually have a lot to learn in terms of technique.
CONCLUSION:

One last thing - ya I agree with you guys about pbnation.com. The people there can be damm rude -

Most of them are just kids from the cities just trying to be e-cool, and self important. Plus you have to realize that you're obviously new in some regards. Like for saying the ion is horrible to handle, because it's actually designed in a way not only favored by paintball players, but is nessential. You'd never hear the end of it from them for that. I enjoy the sport, and hate every one of those kids.
 
Well,

Bruise Lee, while I'm glad you are happy with your Ion, I wouldn't spend too much time worrying about any psychological edge you gain by using the Ion. You want to impress players? Go out onto the fields, play, learn and excel. Play with more experienced players, not the new kids. I know this has been said a thousand times before, but it's really not the marker, it's the player. I for one am not the slightest bit awed or impressed by players strutting out onto the field(s) with the latest and greatest gear. I AM impressed when I see players using older, non-electro or pump markers who can hold their own while playing speed/air/hyperball. Alternately, experienced tournament players who are capable of relaxing a bit and enjoying a recball game, or still getting into an occasional woodsball game are impressive.

I agree with WiLLtallica that if you want to grow as a player in paintball you will be best served by accepting the paintball gun eronomics for what they are. If you want to trick out your marker in a milsim fashion, that's fine but don't expect it to shoot any better.

I don't really agree with the long-run choice of the Ion over the A5 (or a number of other options) although this is simply my opinion.
The Ion is what it is. It is a good beginner's electro, cheap, with eyes, a TON of available upgrades and a relatively easy to maintain design. On the other hand the stock trigger is horrible, the marker's durability is dubious at best and its efficiency is crappy in the grand scheme of things.

Again, just get out there and play. Games with and against more experienced players (and drills with someone who can teach and critique) are worth a hundred Derder or pro team videos. Paintball is like any other sport, it requires the building of muscle memory.

Cheers,
B.
 
Get a Tippman 98 Custom. I know somebody that has one, and enjoys it. He says that they are a good value for the money.
 
Ions are nice

and cheap

as Doc Nickle puts it:
"Velveta cheese grade aluminum"

The Gardner Brothers have done paintball no favors as they have personally profited
 
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