Recommend a Trainer on Long Island, NY?

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MajorRecoil

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Hi all,

I just purchased a Mossberg 500 12GA 18.5" persuader shotgun for home defense (this is my first firearm) and would like to know if anyone can recommend a trainer in my area who could spend some time showing me the ins and outs of this particular model. I had a chance to shoot some slugs, 00 buck and #8 bird shot in the range when I purchased it, but would like to spend more time with an expert with regards to cleaning, safety, loading, unloading, accessories, etc.

Also, would the Surefire X200B light fit on this model, and if so, do I have to purchase anything besides the light to mount it? Thanks for any suggestions!
 
MajorRecoil,

I moved your post to the Shotgun Forum, anticipating more attention there.

The most numerous and available trainers are those certified through various NRA training courses- go to http://www.nrahq.org/education/training/basictraining.asp and see if any of those trainers are offering classes near you.

Also, take a look at http://www.njfirearms.com/home/ and see if they are close enough to you to be helpful. You're a bit out of my usual stomping grounds so I'm not familiar with the geography or any of the potentially useful ranges or instructors in the area.

IMHO LED weaponlights are the way to go for shotguns, they are more likely to handle recoil without popping a bulb. I have no experience with the Surefire X200B but have been happy with the Streamlight TLR-2 I bought for a family member. The TLR-1 is a light only and is less expensive.

You'll need a mounting rail for any of the detachable weaponlights, take a look at the Streamlight #69908 ( http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum2265.php to see a picture ) for one option I'm familiar with. I don't know that vendor, you might want to shop around on the net before ordering.

Stay safe,

lpl/nc
 
Thanks Lee...I appreciate the information. I contacted one of the companies listed and am awaiting a reply.

As far as the surefire light, is it better to get one with a laser pointer if you're using it with the pistol grip? I haven't tried the gun with the stock installed, but I would imagine it would be more accurate, but also more difficult to use in tight quarters like hallways, etc.
 
I generally dislike pistol-grip-only shotguns, but for some limited applcations they can be made to work. They are more difficult to hit with by a major factor than a shotgun with a conventional stock, and IMHO a laser is a good idea for a PGO shotgun. The only time I ever had to use one (after making a major mistake and selling my High Standard Model 10A bullpup) was when I was pulling security for a gentleman who was in the jewelry business and needed the compactness to hide the shotgun in th confines I was working in. I put a laser on that one and it helped a lot, but frequent practice is still a good idea even with a laser installed IMO.

With proper tactics a standard shotgun is no more difficult to use in hallways etc. than a PGO version. Learn to use the 'indoor ready' and search positions and you will have a basis of comparison. A good instructor will teach you those things as a matter of course. Hope you find one with little trouble,

lpl/nc
 
I decided to buy a recoil reducing stock for when my wife and I begon to spend some time with the trainer at the range:

http://www.knoxx.com/products/SpecOps_Stock.php

Found it on E-Bay last night, new for $104.

Now I just have to find some #1 or #4 buck shot...I like the Federal Tactical line, but seems difficult to find on line (I think they offer the #4 in this type). As far as the #1 buck goes, I can't seem to find it anywhere. ANy suggestions? Thanks!
 
What range did you finally decide on? Please consider posting an after-action report on your training when you get done- it can be helpful.

Re. #1 buckshot, keep an eye on the thread at http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=295587 . Maybe someone there will share their sources for it. Usually #4 buck is pretty common, it's a more popular load in most places.

I tried the Knoxx SpecOps stock on one of the 870s here, hoping it might prove useful for my wife. We both disliked it though, she because she didn't care for the pistol grip style stock, I because the 'tube' was too fat and I couldn't get a proper cheek weld with it. Truth to tell, I do in fact have chubby cheeks, but that doesn't prove a problem for me getting a cheek weld with a conventional stock. After just one range session, I took it off and went back to the conventional stock.

You may find that any form of pistol grip stock causes some issues with access to the safety on a Mossberg 500. You have to break your firing grip in order to manipulate the safety when you put a PG stock on a 500. I find it ironic that many shotgunners so strongly tout the "inherent superiority" of the Mossberg's top tang safety, and then put on a pistol grip style stock which effectively places the safety out of reach without breaking the firing grip.

Stock length IS a major consideration, a defensive shotgun which will be used by more than one shooter should be fitted to the smallest shooter who will be using it. It is much much easier to effectively use a shotgun with a too-short stock than one with a stock too long for the shooter. All you have to do is to remember to place the thumb of the shooting hand over on the knuckle of the trigger finger (assuming a conventional style stock). Otherwise it's likely that recoil-induced contact of thumb and nose will remind you that you forgot something. 8^)

My wife (in her early 60s, 5'4" and 130 pounds) is perfectly comfortable shooting a 12 gauge 870 that fits her properly with full house slug and buckshot loads. Our 'house guns' have 12.5" length of pull conventional style stocks, fitted with premium recoil pads. They have full size 'field length' forearms (9" long, compared to the 7" police style forearm that Remington uses on some guns) so that she can reach the forearm easier without having to over-extend her support arm.

There are no magazine extensions on these guns, just 18" or 20" barrels with rifle sights. I tried an extension for her and it's just too much weight out in front of the support hand for her to manage easily- so off it came. Weaponlights are rail-mounted Streamlight M-3s or LEDWave Z-5s that weigh mere ounces and fit on ring-mounted rails that go under the magazine cap. And each has a 4-round Sidesaddle on the receiver.

Interesting thing is that after some use and experience, I can handle these shorties (with an 18" barrel they run a fraction over 37" long overall) just fine too- and I'm 6'3" and wear a 37" sleeve. In fact I have come to prefer a short stock on a shotgun over the "normal" factory stock length after several years of working with them.

FWIW,

lpl/nc
 
My wife and I took the First Steps shotgun course yesterday and found it to be well worth the money. Instructor was very knowledgeable, professional, friendly and supportive. The course included a short video, firearm safety, cleaning, ammunition, shooting technique, overview of the model we brought to the class and a lot of other information that came up as we asked questions. As I mentioned on this thread:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=302912

My wife had some trouble supporting the shotgun and we may be looking to purchase a smaller/lighter firearm (perhaps the Keltec SUB-2000) for her with special ammo to reduce possibility of over-penetration if used in a home defense situation.

We spent some time at the range and I was able to get more comfortable with the shotgun in general. No soreness today after about 35 shots. We used the Federal Tactical #4 buck and also shot some #8 bird as well. I was much more comfortable shooting with the SpecOps stock installed as opposed to the pistol grip that was on the gun when I bought it. My wrist hurt for about a week after shooting only 12 time with the pistol grip.

The training was provided by Firearms Training Institute (FTI, Inc.). I highly recommend David if you're looking for training in the Long Island, NY area.
 
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