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Recommendation on a new deer rifle for a beginner

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by JasonK94Z, May 30, 2009.

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  1. JasonK94Z

    JasonK94Z Member

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    I have been hunting a couple of times years back with a borrowed rifle, and I am now finally getting back into it again this year. Its been awhile. I am new too rifles also!!

    I am in central, AR. The land is sloped a lot, with open fields where they came in a cut timber, etc. There is also a lot of woods, but the stands are set up to hunt the clearings. Some places are clear for up to approx. 200 yards. Doub I'd be shooting a deer from that far away. My friend suggests a 270, weatherby 300, or a 7mag.

    I think I have decided on a bolt action 270. Don't exactly know why a 270, but I think it is because the ammo is more readily available and its a caliber I am familiar with. I am on a budget with this gun too (maybe stay under $500 and prefer new).

    What is the best bang for the buck for a guy on a budget and also just getting back into the sport?

    I have looked at the:
    Remington 770
    Marlin XL7 (same thing as Stevens?)
    Mossburg 100 ATR
    etc.
    etc.
    Thanks!
     
  2. Schleprok62

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    Personally, I would look at a 7mm-08 Rem in a Stevens Model 200 or Marlin XS-7... both arond $300 new. Add a decent scope and you're in for around your budget with money for ammo. Or the venerable 30-06 Sprg is always an option.


    No... see my comparison...

    A tale of Two Budget Rifles
     
  3. bad_aim_billy

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    Your friend suggests a .300 mag or a 7mm mag for deer? Your friend doesn't like you, did you scratch his car or something? Or date his sister?

    Seriously though, 30-30 would be fine in a lever-action, or anything .30/06 or below in a bolt action. .270 would be fine, also...
     
  4. JasonK94Z

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    LOL Billy. He says he likes a gun with a little power in it.
     
  5. NELSONs02

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    Check out a Weatherby. For the money I don't think they can be beat as far as strength and accuracy goes.

    Also look at the 7mm-08, its my all time favorite deer round.
     
  6. hunter25

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    A 270 is perfect for deer at those ranges and more and if you ever get the chance will work for elk also. The Savage package guns usually come in around 400 and shoot great. The scope is not the best but will get you started and can upgrade later. Both of my kids started with one in 243. Still using the original scope 6 years later.
     
  7. Schleprok62

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    In all honesty, for the size deer y'all have down here, a .243 Win would be plenty... and the recoil would be minimal... but hey, it's your shoulder... LOL
     
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    Hey two votes for the 7mm-08! Hell yea.
     
  9. woof

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    If a Marlin 336 .30-30 really isn't enough, then I second the vote for a Stevens 200 in 7mm-08. Remington makes a great managed recoil load in 7-08 that has more power than the .30-30 with less recoil and from personal experience it performs better on deer at closer range than the full power load.
     
  10. Schleprok62

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    Heh!!!

    You mean third???? :D I suggested it first... :neener: :neener: :neener: :cool:

    Nelson concurred... then you... but hey... all hail the 7mm-08 Rem... LOL
     
  11. DeepSouth

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    Try to find an ol' Remington Model 788 in a 243. You'll be good to go.
     
  12. Dallas Jack

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    I vote for a Weatherby Vanguard ($399.00) in .243 or 7-08.
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    Dallas Jack
     
  13. Jacka L Ope

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    Wouldn't overlook the 25-06. Flat shooter. Fine for deer.
     
  14. Sunray

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    "...same thing as Stevens?..." Stevens rifles are made by Savage. Not bad for the money. Look into a Savage Model 114 Classic too. Mind you, any commercial hunting rifle in .270 will do nicely. Some just cost more than others.
    Don't scrimp on the scope. The Savage packages come with a low end but serviceable scope, but like hunter25 says, you can up grade later.
     
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  15. rangerruck

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    for a budget entry rifle, with great bang for the buck, and you can get them with scopes allready on them as well, I consider these three to be tops.
    Marlin,
    howa,
    savage.
    next i would throw in a Mossberg atr.
    As for the 270, this will be all the deer rifle caliber you will ever need, all your life. 7mag or 300 is
    just plain overkill.
     
  16. Kansan

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    Yeah, I agree with the above comments. I think the first deer rifle I buy my children will be either:

    Savage Package .270
    Marlin 336 .30-30

    If you want something more high-powered for possible future bigger game, I would suggest the "venerable .30-06" (as mentioned above) for versatility and availability. I don't see much .300 or 7mag on the ammo shelves these days.
     
  17. Kansan

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    sorry, double post
     
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  18. Uncle Mike

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    The 270 win. is a great choice. You'll not be undergunned, yea, and you won't be able to use the 'I hit em' but he didn't go down' excuse either.:neener:

    Savage 111-Blue metal, black synthetic accustock

    Stevens 200- Bule metal, grey thermo-plastic stock

    Howa, several configurations(caution, made in japan, if you prefer to buy American)
     
  19. TeamRush

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    .270 is one of those 'Karma' rounds where you can do things with them you aren't supposed to be able to do.

    For deer hunting, it's just AWESOME!
    Redly accurate out to 200 or 300 yards with soda straw thin barrels,
    Shoots flat as can be,
    And the bullet carries enough energy to do the job when it gets there!

    Just a GREAT all around white tail gun!

    Remember, the .270 is a necked down .30-06 round...
    Long action rifles are inherently less accurate since the longer cutaway action twists more when firing.
    I'm not sure it will matter with a light weight barrel hunting rifle in 'Mountain Hunting Trim'...

    But that is the only draw back I can think of unless you decide to hunt outside of the country... Then acquiring ammo can be a pain outside of the US.
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    Don't rule out shorter actions, like the 7mm-08 Remington.
    About the same deal, but with a shorter action, so the action is inherently more accurate...

    Again, with thin barrel and light weight stock, it's probably not an issue with a 'Mountain Hunting' rifle.

    7mm-08 is a necked down .308 Winchester cartridge case, and just like it's 'Big Brother' (.270) it's hyper accurate hunting round that will SERIOUSLY get the job done!
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    Then there are the old .30 caliber standby rifles,
    The .30-06 and .308 Winchester.

    They have virtually IDENTICAL muzzle velocities, and bullet weights/trajectories, but the argument will continue to rage for many years past this one which one is 'BEST' for hunting...
    (and I'm not going there!)

    I have hunted outside the country, and both .308 and .30-06 ammo is available most places if that will ever be an issue.
    One thing about any caliber the military used or uses,
    there is TONS of load data out there,
    Everybody makes something for them, and most of it works,
    And you can even buy optics with ACCURATE bullet drop scale etched right into it.

    Resale value is always good on military calibers, plus you get to waste 'Cheap Surplus' ammo for plinking and target practice.
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    Some people like .243 rifles for White Tail deer, but I'm not one of them.
    I don't like a .243 for much of anything other than coyotes, and I hunt more varmints than just coys...
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    No matter what anyone says, .223 Remington is just too light for robust white tail deer.

    I'm sure I'm going to take some heat on this opinion from people that HAVE dropped a white tail with a .223,
    BUT,
    You *CAN* make loads that will RELIABLY & HUMANLY put a white tail down, but they don't usually have them at Wally-World and you often have to modify the rifle to shoot 'Long & Heavy' hand loads...
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    Here is a bit of information that might help you save some BIG bucks...

    OPTICS!
    There is no substitute for Leupold.
    If you take a look around at a bunch of PROFESSIONAL GUIDES & HUNTERS, you will see 3 Leupolds for every other type of optic you see,
    Or have a look around at any given rifle match,
    You will see about 1/2 using Leupold, and the other half using a mix of this and that.

    That should tell you something about Leupold.

    Burris is about 2/3 the optic Leupold is, but Burris is accurate and rugged... And about 1/2 the price.

    Stick with AMERICAN OPTICS...
    I don't shoot in 'Meters' so I don't want an optic that is ranged in 'Meters'... I need YARDS!

    Stick with about a FIXED 6X or so...
    It will save you money, give you a GREAT field of view,
    and when hunting, you don't have time for all the gimmicks and gadgets on optics now...

    Just 'Point Blank Zero' your 4x or 6x optic at 200 yards...
    At 200 yards, you can aim dead on from 50 to 300 yards without hold over or under...

    If you zero at 200 yards,
    The bullet will be about 1" high at 100 yards,
    The bullet will be Dead on at 200 yards,
    The bullet will be about 2" low at 300 yards.
    Still PLENTY ACCURATE to blow the heart out of a white tail without having to try and figure bullet drop and all that jazz...

    And a reasonably LOW (4X or 6X) power optic will give you a much LARGER field of view so you can see what's going on downrange and behind the deer,
    And still provide you with PLENTY of magnification for great shots at your self professed 200 to 300 yards!
    (saves you a TON of money on high powered optics too!)

    I try and stay away from 'Click' type optics adjustments in hunting optics...
    I like the low turret (doesn't snag on everything in the bush)
    And I like the friction type adjusters since sometimes you just don't want a full 1/4 or 1/3 MOA at 200 yards.
    Friction adjusters allow you to 'FINE TUNE' the optics better than 'Click' type in my opinion...
    (I'm sure the 'Fan Boys' are going to make a big fuss about that statement too, but I'm a hunter with 40+ years experience, and that is what works best for me and most other long time hunters I know)

    I have taken about every kind of large north American game you can think of, Moose, Elk, Mule Deer, White Tail, ect.
    And you OFTEN wind up with only a momentary shot situation where you walk up on or jump up the game.
    This is where a reasonably low powered, fixed power optic really shines!

    You know that whitetail will hesitate before it throws up the flag and bolts, and if you have a hunting optic with more switches and knobs than the space shuttle...
    The deer is going to be laughing at you all afternoon!

    If you have an optic you can make for a fast, or even MOVING shot, you take Venison home!

    Just some things to think about...
     
  20. JasonK94Z

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    Thanks everyone for your replies! I have a few things to think about after this discussion, but I feel better about it using everyone's knowledge that has been shared here. I think I am well on my way to buying my first rifle sometime this summer!!
     
  21. schlockinz

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    I'd go with

    1) 243
    2) 25-06
    3) 270
    4) 30-30
    5) 30-06
    or either 257's

    It sounds like Savage is now the way to go for hunting rifles. I've had my same 30.06 for about 12 years, Rem 700. Its awesome, and its the only high powered rifle that I will own. Its killed deer out to 300 yds, its killed a few pigs, only one ran more than 30 yds (with vital shots).

    All in all, I'd get some 30.06, hard to beat it for the best all around rifle, that, and you can find Winchester Super X power point 150gr at just about any gas station in that part of the world (the south)
     
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    Jason;

    Earlier it was said: "Try to find an ol' Remington Model 788 in a 243. You'll be good to go." I'll just amend that to a 788 in 6mm Remington. The 6mm is everything that the .243 wants to be when it grows up. Seriously, the .243 is based on the .308 cartridge case & the 6mm is based on the 7 X 57mm Mauser. Therefore the 6mm has a bit more powder capacity and a longer neck. Which means the heavier hunting bullets don't have to go down into the case & rob powder space. Also, the combination has produced many outstandingly accurate examples.

    When my son turned 16, quite a while ago now, I bought him a modern action turn-bolt in 6.5 X 55mm Mauser as his first center fire hunting gun. As with the 6mm, you get mild recoil and stellar accuracy. However, the 6.5 provides the ability to use far heavier bullets than the .243/6mm/.25's. You could do a lot worse than to pick one up. I don't know if it's in your budget, but I'd at least go look at both the CZ550 and the Tikka T-3 in 6.5 Swede. Both are quality guns that won't put most folks in debt. If I remember correctly, there used to be a couple of decent gun shops in Searcy & between the two you could find both Tikkas & CZ's.

    By the way, before my dad passed on, he lived in Searcy. I've been down that way more than a couple of times & do know the type of territory there. I think the Swede would do you very well for the game, the gun, and the conditions.

    900F
     
  23. Uncle Mike

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    Hahaha... ONLY in bunny labs, shot by zombie scientists. It does hold some sort of merit, but so does your chance of getting hit by lightening.

    I think there might be a whole slew of competitors at Camp Perry that just might disagree with this one... the 30-06 never did shoot very well, set any records, nor did the 6mm-284's(medium length), 300 Win mags..... this could go on forever...

    Now I know we can break out the engineering books, strain gauges and such, but for this guys purpose, let us not confuse him any more than we have to.

    For his purpose... a hunting rifle, any length action will be spot on.

    And all this 'point blank zero ' stuff. Come on, the .270 shoots flat enough that he can zero at 200y and hold center mass from 50y to 400y and rest assured that animal will be switched of, right there, right then. As TeamRush said.

    The only advice I might say is to not get one of those heavy barrels rigs, for ranges you'll be wacking deer and such at, there will be zero advantage other than you bulking up a bit from lugging that hunk o' iron around the country side.
     
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    The 270 Winchester is a excellent choice for what you are after. You may also want to check out the Tikka T3 rifle as they are light weight and usually excellent shooters.
     
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    I would look seriously at the Howa/Vanguard. WalMart at some locations has the Vanguard on sale for $325. Try to beat that with anything! Savage makes a great shooting ugly rifle. Stay away from the Remington 710/770 as they aren't too highly thought of. Most any caliber from .25 up will serve your purpose.
     
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