Beginner Deer Rifle

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No, the bolt actions will not interefere with the scopes. I got a Remington 700 BDL for my first deer rifle in .270 over 20 years ago and I love it.

That said, if you say you'd prefer a lever action, by all means get one! This is your first deer rifle, you should get the one you want if you can. I'd find a 30-30 Marlin (can be had for around $300 new, less used) and start shooting. I bet more deer hunters have started off on a 30-30 than any other rifle. The beauty of the Marlin is you can add a scope later after you learn to shoot with the irons. In Kentucky where you're at, the 30-30 would be a great deer cartridge. If by chance you do hunt elk later, chances are, you will have the budget to buy a new rifle. Don't base your first purchase on the off chance that one day in the far future you may hunt elk.

Get the Marlin and have fun!
 
I agree with the above post. .30-30 is good to start, and then you have something to work up to. You can always get more gun later on.
 
No, the bolt action will not interfere with a scope at all. If you want a lever action, go with a thirty-thirty. It's a great beginner gun and has probably accounted for putting more meat on the table than any other cartridge in American history. I would agree with some of the others here and say to ditch the pistol idea and spend more on the rifle and scope. You are much more likely to kill a coyote in the 100 to 300 yard range than you are the 1 to 50 yard range of a pistol. I haven't heard of many coyote attacks on humans.
 
Since you're already used to a pump, you might try to find a used Rem. M-141 in .35rem. Small, handy rifle in a caliber that has some punch for woods ranges. I shortened the stock and added a recoil pad for my wife, and it's her favorite rifle.

For a bolt, I'll add my endorsement to the Mosin-Nagant crowd. $80.00 for a 91-30 model, $80.00 more for an ATI stock and you're ready for anything on the continent...
 
I would look hard at a Savage in 7mm-08. They shoot great and not much recoil. I think the 06 is a great round, but it does tend to cause a flinch as a first rifle. 260 is another good option.
 
IMO, the "perfect" first deer rifle for most folks is going to be a common bolt action from a good (name) maker with a commonly available mid-range caliber and a decent, average-size scope. Truly, if we take emotion, ego, etc. out of the game, that kind of rifle is the only thing hunters would own.

In used bolt guns I would look for

Remington
Savage
Winchester
Browning
Ruger

There are other makes, of course, but with the above manufacturers you know where you stand. Good deals can be had on makes like Howa, etc, but you have to know what to look for because the small marques turn out the more-than-occasional blooper.

The problem with the military surplus guns like the Mosin (sorry guys) is that they need work in order to be truly appropriate in the field. If you are willing to learn what needs to be done and then either learn how to do it yourself or pay money for a COMPETENT gunsmith to do it for you, this can be a fun project. Thing is, it's always going to be a converted military rifle, and it will always have some bits like a funky scope mount, a weird safety, and an odd-ball cartridge. (I'll get flamed for that, but it's the way I see it.)

Now, I also believe that your cartridge should be a mainstream, middle-of-the-road item. I wouldn't go larger than .30-06, nor smaller than a .25 caliber. Both smaller and larger are, IMO, more specialized cartridges than are needed and/or appropriate for a first deer rifle. Within those brackets, however, is a tremendous selection of cartridges. The '06, .270, and .25-06 will each do wonderfully for a first deer gun, and the .25-06 also does very well as a heavy varmint and coyote gun. There are other cartridges within these guidelines, of course, and many of them are wonderful. Just be sure that they are commonly available. If you don't see boxes of the stuff at Big 5, you may consider moving on.

Lever guns? Neat-O. But limited, in comparison to most bolt guns. Not generally as accurate and not usually chambered for cartridges in the same class as the '06 etc. Scoping is also not as straightforward, in general.

Semi-autos? Sure, with very limited choices. I believe Browning and Remington are both offering hunting semi-autos in appropriate cartridges. Many other military-style semi-autos are available chambered for deer-suitable cartridges (almost always .308) and are technically suitable for hunting, provided you obey whatever laws may apply locally (blocking the magazine capacity being the most common one) but you will likely have to put up with sideways glances and the occasional rude comment: "You hunting deer or ChiComs, kid?" There is also the matter of scoping a military style semi-auto, which is not always simple. BTW, I would avoid anything chambered for the 7.62x39, which includes the AK-47 and the SKS. This cartridge can be suitable for hunting, but only if handloaded.

And finally, scopes. IMO you are best off with a decent 3x9 -- not something blister packed at WalMart, but you don't have to buy Swarovski either. Spend $100 and you'll probably have something decent -- or a good fixed power of 4x or 6x. Don't fall into the modern trap of believing more power is better -- especially if you don't have a grand to spend on it. You will be very, very dissapointed with an inexpensive 4x14 or 6x18.

Bottom line? This is a long post with a short message: Get a common bolt action hunting rifle in a common caliber, scope it with something decent but not extravagant, and then practice practice practice. You will end up with a rifle that will work for you your entire life, and skill that will never depart you.

HTH!
 
Sorry, I misread your earlier post. I thought you said you did want a lever.

Well, bolt it is, in your price range. I would seriously look at the Mossberg ATR in .270.
 
remmy's ; you can find tons of semiautos out there, new , used, pawnshoppers, all for between 250 and 350. Saigas, you can get new for the same price range, and you can scope them as well. they are also semiautos.
 
As many have mentioned milsurps are a great bargain and built for dependability, personally though I would not go with the Mosin (I have a couple hundred of em they are onea my favorites) instead look at a Mauser pattern rifle, if ya want short go with a Yugo 24/47 these are in 8x57 caliber and most are in like new condition as they were rebuilt in 1947 then placed in storage, The 8x57 is the equivalent of our 30/06 in fact the Springfield was an attempt to copy the german rifle and cartridge. Ya can get the Yugos in the $100 price range best of all is I love going to the range and outshooting the $1000 guns with one of my 60 year old (or older) milsurps hehehe they can be very very accurate. As far as handguns, again look at milsurps there are some excellent bargains and these guns are all built to be abused. plus if ya refrain from refinishing etc... they can gain value as collector guns etc.. if ya do decide ya want custom then a mauser is the basis of about EVERY high end custom rifle, barrels in most calibers can be had around $100 custom Boyds stocks start at around $99 as well, tons of scoping options as well as safties, a Yugo 48 will have the same compactness same price range etc.. BUT with a bent down bolt.

Ammo, CHEAP surplus ammo to allow ya to get lots of practice Yugo 8 mm is running around $32 per 400 rnds right now and its low recoil, if ya drop the rifle no biggie it got dropped alot dureing battle and came out fine.

For a sidearm consider a Star BM 9mm these are compact 4" fireing the 9 mm para round and super durable patterned after the american 1911 very very accurate ammo again is very cheap so plenty of practice on a budget. There are ALOT of milsurp handguns to choose from most are modern designs no frills guns as with rifles built with dependability as the primary criteria.

My son in law was set on a 270 custom built on a remington 700 untill I let him play with one of my Mosins he loved the rifle but not the recoil so next he shot a mauser in the form of a 98/22 and loved it then he went an bought a 24/47 cleaned it all up and really loves to hunt with that ol battle rifle says it just looks cool ;-) but he has shined his all up with fresh linseed oil on the wood it already had perfect blueing etc.. Another bargain are the Turkish mousers they are usually in not as pretty of condition but are very sound rifles built by the Germans for sale to the turks, here look for a 1903 or the best of the best a Czech made 98/22, a few years ago ya coulda gotten a Czech mauser in the short version being the VZ24 for the $100 range but as they are no longer available for import they have jumped into the $400 price range but they are the best built of all the mausers even the german ones..
 
Hi SC...

Real World, SC, is that you will be just fine to buy something like the Remington, or Ruger or Savage in .243 now because long before you get the chance to do much elk/moose hunting you will be able to buy a second (or 3rd or 4th) rifle chambered for a cartridge designed specifically for that size game. That tired old saw about having one rifle that's great for everything from mice to mastadons causes so many Americans to run around so overgunned for what they really hunt it is pathetic. And Truth is, there isn't an animal in the Western Hemisphere that you couldn't drop in its' tracks with a 7mm-08. Hunter Mr. W.D. Bell of Africa killed nearly 1000 ELEPHANTS with a 7x57 Mauser and that is a "weak sister" to the 7mm-08.
For a handgun to use on varmints, even coyotes, get a Ruger .22 revolver or semi-auto and 40 years from now you'll still have it and still love it.

HTH :)
 
If you like the pump action, what about the Remingtons? They're about 500 bucks Canadian so they've got to be cheaper in the States. Just as accurate as you're average bolt gun and a heck of a lot more handy. Easy to scope as well and they have iron sights.
As for the B.S. about coyote attacks, it's crap. Even packs are scared of people because we shoot them. I grew up in the bush and never had issues with coyotes or even wolves or bears, but I knew how to avoid them. Most wild animal attacks are actually human provoked. If you go into the bush thinking you're Rambo then you'll have issues.
That said find a gun that fits you well and is in a caliber that you like and buy one gun, then carry it everywhere with you when in the bush until it's an extension of your arm.
 
BTW I forgot to mention, my first deer rifle was an old British enfield #5 some call a jungle carbine, man that sucker kicked but my dad got it for $40 at a pawn shop, that rifle is now the corner stone of the Enfield part of my collection, its taken countless Oregon white tails, who knows how many rocks an tree stumps and ohhh yea one Elk. I only have one commercial "sporter" left in the rifle lineup its a Browning bar .308 I thought I just hadda have when I was 19 since all my other guns were military surplus etc... well its been fired a grand total of 100 times in 30 years, I always end up selecting one of the Milsurps when I get ready to go hunting, latelly the favorite has been a Chillean Model 95 Mauser in 7x57, it just naturally comes on target without any thought from me, and as there are 1,312 to select from in the collection thats saying something for that old 95 but then the Boer's dessimated the British with these same rifles out numbered 80 to 1 so....... And as mentioned the 7x57 will drop anything ya could ever run up against but a good 95 is now getting up there in price as they have not been imported for a couple years, this favorite cost me $80 a year ago they are up to $300 plus now for all matching excellent condition originals etc...

That ol $40 pawn shop Enfield...... I was recently offered $700 for it... no deal ;-)
 
A used Savage Model 340 (bolt action) would be a great choice. Savage made them for years in 222 and 30-30. Another possibility is to find a Mossberg Model 800 (bolt action) used in 243 or 308. They shoot great. Either should be within budget. Finding them is the key.

My first centerfire rifle was a Mossberg Model 800 in 243. Shot great. Liked the tang safety common with Mossbergs. I later bought a Remington Model 700BDL in 270 which to this day remains my "deer rifle". You will hear pros and cons on the 243 for deer. It works. I prefer something with just a bit more power.
 
RE:Shawnee

My Weatherby was my first hunting rifle, I have a .22LR for hunting varmints and several other weapons, you have a point that having several calibers is a good idea, but depending on his situation and hunting he may not have the availability of several different rifles in his arsenal. The .300 weatherby mag gives him a round with good ballistics and knock down power. The .300 should be able to take down any game on the North American continent at 250+ yards. That can be said with several other smaller calibers and much larger calibers but these calibers may not have th FPS or the ballistics of the .300 WB magnum round. Its a little expensive to shoot, but I dont shoot her to often.


Also he did point out:

Well, I was wanting a pretty high powered rifle, in case I did get the chance to hunt moose or elk.
 
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The K-31 Schmidt Rubin is a heck of a bargin and highly accurate. If you get one though you should start reloading as hunting ammo might be a little pricey. If you want something new, a Savage in 308 with the Accutrigger would be a good bet.
 
What is a "tang safety found on mossbergs"? Is it the safety liek on my 12 gauge, on the topside of the gun, right close to thumb position, it's liek a slider switch? If that's what you mean, then I love that feature.
 
I have seen rifled slug barrels for the Mossberg at Dick's, including a centilever mount and scope for less than $200. You may want to look into that.

Yes, your Mosberg has a Tang Safety.
 
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