red-dot pistols

[CNobbe]

I think they've started to realize that if they want to sell 320s to L.E. they had to change the plate setup. The "pro" model 320s retain the rear sight and include an RMR cut.

Well, the military wants it done one way, L.E another. If you get a P320 "pro" (not pro cut) it'll have the plate in front of the rear sight and has a cut for RMR. It is a bit annoying, but the aftermarket helps a lot too with adapter plates.

 

[FL-NC]

There something else to consider and that is many self defense scenarios occur under poor lighting conditions. Then it is pointing the gun without clear visibility of the iron sights.

Trijicon, Meprolite, Truglo, AmeriGlo XS, and other companies have solutions for this. And if the tritium element burns out, there is a warning as over time it will become dimmer.

 

[FL-NC]

Would you mind elaborating this point? Try as I might I can’t find an angle where I can see my front sight and not have the dot as an option as well, and a few angles where I can get at least the dot and my irons are completely useless.

(experimenting with my dry fire gun and an ITarget pro so I have an idea where the dot/sight/approximate bullet hit are in relation to each other)

The rest of your post I get.

I honestly don't know what the phenomenon is called, but I have experienced it during the few times I have played with these things. If the pistol is turned where the glass has an angle and is not perfectly squared up, the dot is (or may not" be visible). Apparently there can also be issues with them as it relates to ambient light and environmental issues like fog or rain. If you are in love with them and can use them well and don't have issues with things like external power reliance and bulk, go for it.

 

[barnetmill]

Trijicon, Meprolite, Truglo, AmeriGlo XS, and other companies have solutions for this. And if the tritium element burns out, there is a warning as over time it will become dimmer.

We are speaking not of having access to night vision at night. You can see your dot very well. You can not see your target well if at all at night.

 

[JTQ]

There something else to consider and that is many self defense scenarios occur under poor lighting conditions.

A counter point from Tom Givens https://civiliandefender.com/2016/04/01/low-light-red-sights-and-tom-givens-glock-35/

...in the 60 plus defensive shootings his students have been involved in, the lighting (or lack of lighting) was a factor in the outcome in exactly ZERO cases.

 

[barnetmill]

A counter point from Tom Givens https://civiliandefender.com/2016/04/01/low-light-red-sights-and-tom-givens-glock-35/

You cited article is not discussing red dot sights. Photo is from your article shows open sighted pistol. Might get quite a flash out of the gun with all of the ports that it seems to have.

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That open sight set up will work as well as possible in low light and lends it self to a technique called by the school that I follow as meat on the metal.
It is important not to compare apples to oranges here.
Note I am not a big fan of lights on a carry gun but those should go well with RDS optic. In the picture below an RDS optic should work with available light and that is not poor light as depicted

 

[JTQ]

You cited article is not discussing red dot sights. Photo is from your article shows open sighted pistol.

It is discussing low light use for the concealed carrier. Red dot or not, the fact that his students didn't need extra light, or night sights (or as you inferred in your posts above, a red dot), in any of their encounters, is germaine to the topic, or at least to your points.

I'm fine with red dot sights, if that's what someone wants. I'm just pointing out, the perceived need - for the concealed carrier - for weapon mounted lights, night sights, or red dot sights, may not be as needed as some may feel.

Might get quite a flash out of the gun with all of the ports that it seems to have.

View attachment 1075958.

It's probably a G35, at one time Givens choice of pistol. There are no ports, just an open slide.

 

[barnetmill]

It is discussing low light use for the concealed carrier. Red dot or not, the fact that his students didn't need extra light, or night sights (or as you inferred in your posts above, a red dot), in any of their encounters, is germaine to the topic, or at least to your points.

I'm fine with red dot sights, if that's what someone wants. I'm just pointing out, the perceived need - for the concealed carrier - for weapon mounted lights, night sights, or red dot sights, may not be as needed as some may feel.


It's probably a G35, at one time Givens choice of pistol. There are no ports, just an open slide.

The OP was: red-dot pistols
There is not one mention of that I could find of red dot sights in that article and I did do a search for key words on it. He is not mentioning optics at all, much less giving any evaluation.
His article is very worth while. Your interpretation of it is flawed. Apples and oranges.

You are likely right about the G35. I do not know that model. Me, I deal with 26, 19, and 17 types.

 

[JTQ]

At the risk of taking this thread too far afield,...

The OP was: red-dot pistols
There is not one mention of that I could find of red dot sights in that article and I did do a search for key words on it. He is not mentioning optics at all, much less giving any evaluation.
His article is very worth while. Your interpretation of it is flawed. Apples and oranges.

My reason for linking the article is in regard to the civilian concealed carrier and their need for light - to see anything - the sights, whether they are night sight/target sights/red dot/etc., or the target itself.

It was in response to these posts from you and not the OP

There something else to consider and that is many self defense scenarios occur under poor lighting conditions. Then it is pointing the gun without clear visibility of the iron sights.

We are speaking not of having access to night vision at night. You can see your dot very well. You can not see your target well if at all at night.

If not for these two posts, I would have never thought to link to the Tom Givens comments, which you are correct, do not comment on red dots, but do discuss low light, which is what you were commenting on.

 

[plainsdrifter]

Walther PDP compact is red dot ready. Not as small as a sub compact.