Regular Bolt Actions Often Need Some "Tweaking" to Satisfy Us

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Saw a Bergara B14 today used. Looked nice enough.....but 6.5 quagmire. Supposedly a good rig out of the box
I have a B-15 and ordered 2 more for friends. They are a lot of rifle for the money. One is a 7mm Mag that shot Sub-MOA out of the box. All we did was adjust the triggers to 3 lbs. Mine is in 6.5 quagmire and was a little fussy about the load. I finally found two that passed my criteria. It will lob 129gr Accubond LR's into a 6" plate at 500 yards. That will do.
 
I shoot a lowly .243 win. In a pos ADL synth. Coyote hunting has sucked pretty bad last few times we went ( didnt even go this past season )......no reason to upgrade my gear LOL. Shockingly.....i did buy a new 3006......an AR......and a 22 rf bolt rig. Most if my stuff has been used....out if season too. So experimentation and usage.....has been economical. Mention this as a new Bergara or even a used one.....in 6.5…doesnt fit the req. If i i got one itd have to be .243 just so i could have it be new. Last new .243 i bought was 20 yrs ago. Well i did by a savage axis too.....but i wont count that one.
 
Thinking on it...I cannot recall shooting any long gun out of the box that didn’t receive some attention except an RRA AR and an 1100. I’ve never been a great wing shooter or tried enough shotguns to know what I’m missing so it was always what I considered good enough. With handguns my K9 was a gem as were the Single-Six, APK, and King Kobra.

Of those I fussed with “out of the box”, the M70 Shadow was least fussy, needing only a few turns of the nut to lighten the trigger and some magazine follower work initially. Nothing else has made it past my Dremel and sledgehammer.
 
Amazing how so many folks buy stuff, leave it bone stock....usually of less expensive model.....feed it cheap ammo and get spectacular results. Theyre all over the web too. But not a dang one of these superstars shows up at any shoots/matches. Sure a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while....but not as often as portrayed here ( the web) and elsewhere. I worked gun retail and heard so much crap. I remember stuff really well too. Hard to keep a straight face when the super gun shooters came back in during deer season all depressed about a miss and or equip failure.

This is often true but there are exceptions occasionally. When they were young I bought both of my Boys stainless Remington 700's in 308 with synthetic stocks. I was expecting them to come with the HS Precision stock and was disappointed when they arrived wearing that cheap looking injection molded plastic stock. But both of them shot really well. These also had the somewhat lighter sporter barrel.
 
Just because I say that the adequacy of a rifle/ammo combination is such and such, that doesn't mean that I'm satisfied with any of my hunting rifle/load that isn't at least 1/2 MOA. My favorite load in the .270's is under that, but my rifles are way better shooters than the average ones out there, thanks to a bit of accurizing and handloading abilities and the fussiness of the owner. The only problem is that, should I miss my quarry, there's nothing or nobody to blame but myself. Many of us wouldn't have it any other way.
 
I’ve become a trigger snob. I put the Timney trigger fix in my Remington shotguns and pump rifle. I nearly always put spring kits in my revolvers. I’m working on a solution to my Browning BPS as it is going to be a primarily slug shooting gun. Ithaca 37s already have good triggers from the factory. LaRue trigger in my LR308.

Back in the day, I did a lot of Ruger Single-Action Super Blackhawk trigger jobs for IHMSA Silhouette shooters and could get case-hardened, trigger pulls down to under 2 lbs., without backlash or after-travel. They were a joy to shoot and held up well! I haven't done any for several years and don't own any single-action handguns.
 
Many bolt action rifles I've owned and lots of my friends' rifles have had some problems that either caused them to NOT shoot good groups, or they had deficiencies that caused them to not hold zero from various field positions, sling use, humidity conditions, and temperature variations. Wood stocks with forend pressure points often cause zeros to wander with temperature/humidity, rest holds, or front rest density.

When a rifle is to be used for hunting various critters, especially smaller ones at longer ranges, it's important to make sure that barrels contact barrel channels uniformly, or as I prefer..."not at all" for most rifles. "Not at all", may not shoot the tightest groups with a particular rifle, but at least the should hit the same POI, regardless of how it's held, rested, or under various weather conditions...especially temperature. Regardless of free-floating, I usually remove my sling when on a sitting stand, especially with a rifle rest.

The only problem with having a free-floating barrel is that they're often more sensitive to ammo changes, so it's important to find a load or factory ammo that is POI-consistent in the rifle, yet still be flexible enough to handle the toughness/tenderness range of quarry that may be encountered.

Don't assume that, because a rifle has a bedding block, it is as good as it can get. Yes, you can grind to fit better, but I still prefer to use a good quality epoxy bedding to cradle it within the bedding block to make a perfect fit, while perhaps providing a bit more vibration dampening. It's not hard to do a skim-coat bedding job on those rifles, provided a good release compound is used. (I prefer paste, neutral-colored shoe polish). It releases very well and is easy to clean up.
Agree with all the above, and the comment on the trigger too.

These are the three things I've done to all my hunting rifles, and it does make a difference: Free-float the barrel, bed the action and do a trigger job (or adjustment).

Having said that, there are more factory rifles that shoot great out of the box today, than probably ever before.
 
1 moa would suck for a varmint rifle...even a walking version. Triggers? I find 2# to be on the heavy side for deer. But i worked fine pitch stuff for a living....did not operate a jackhammer for twenty years

That may be fine for your preference, but I have taken more than a few novices out hunting and can tell your for certain that is way too light for someone without substantial shooting experience. Even at the range we get unanticipated trigger pulls with 3-to-5 pound triggers which do not happen with creepy heavy factory 8 pounders. So as much as they might stink for fine accuracy, methinks it's probably best for the unwashed masses to leave them be (leaving aside the dangerous amatuer adjustments which can go off from a sharp rap on the bolt or short fall/drop).
 
Back in the day, I did a lot of Ruger Single-Action Super Blackhawk trigger jobs for IHMSA Silhouette shooters and could get case-hardened, trigger pulls down to under 2 lbs., without backlash or after-travel. They were a joy to shoot and held up well! I haven't done any for several years and don't own any single-action handguns.
My favorite handguns have had trigger jobs. Both of my Ruger 22/45's, my GP 100, and my Browning Hi-power, all have nice crisp triggers. My carry guns are stock.
 
I think many people's obsession with sub MOA accuracy is misplaced given the practical purposes they have, and as a result they end up focused on sniper-style equipment and shooting positions and rifles that are ill-fitting and ill-suited to shooting in field positions. It's not accurized bedding, precision trigger upgrades, extreme low-drag ballistics and super optics that make a better shot. It's skill, and skill comes with a good fit and practice.
 
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I agree that MOA isn't adequate for most varmint hunters, because most varmint shooters shoot long distances at small critters, but the average hunter/rifle/factory ammo combination can't hit a beer can at 50 yards with every shot offhand, or from field positions. The rifle they're using was probably sighted-in by someone else, at least 5 years ago and some are still using factory iron sights. However, they get their deer, bear, or coyote about every time they shoot...and best of all...they're HAPPY with their rifle! We varmint/target folks are way too fussy about our guns, but may not be as good hunters.

When I was a teen, I did quite a bit of plinking, but not much target shooting, and hardly any group shooting. I had a Stevens semi-auto that I put many thousands of rounds through and it had a cheap 3/4" scope on it. I killed a lot of varmints, squirrels, rabbits, woodchucks, etc. and it killed about everything I pulled the trigger on.

One day, I went to the range and bench-rested it. I couldn't believe how badly it grouped!!! I'm talking almost 3" at 50 yards!!! I traded it the next day for a better rifle that shot really well, but didn't get any any more critters than I did with the Stevens! The big difference was CONFIDENCE!

Yes, confidence is a biggie.
I take tougher shots than my hunting bud, because I have the confidence I can make them.

Grew up being a varminter, but also handgun hunted em too, so I can shoot well and be sneaky :)
My advantage comes from my vision..........used to be super good and learned how to look for stuff.
Eyeballs not as good now, but I spotted that squirrel tail that might have been a deer's ear, across the creek in a blown, through thick woods at 75 and knew I better get ready. Turns out it was a deer, w another that was the focus of that morning's hunt.

Of course he didn't do what the other did so I had to shoot him on the run. With a rifle that proly shoots 1.5" off the bench at 100.
What a turd that rifle is ;)
 
My 7 mag yrs ago was not sub MOA.
And I was happy with it. Close to it, but not quite.
Purchased for elk, not prairie dogs.......felt then, and would today............that it was good enough.
 
My favorite handguns have had trigger jobs. Both of my Ruger 22/45's, my GP 100, and my Browning Hi-power, all have nice crisp triggers. My carry guns are stock.

My carry gun is also stock........but it has a very good trigger. Proly too light for most LOL.
That's why I bought it (nice trigger).
I grew up w light triggers so doesn't bother me.

I did change the grips, the MS housing and guide rod. Would like it cut for a Bomar.
But it shoots so good, has been 100% reliable...........I won't let it leave my possession LOL.
 
BTW, just looked for a stock............for 700.
Went to LGS and fondled the Bergara B14 again.
Like their bottom metal better than that of the 700's.

Anyway, checked a place for an HS............sold out of the color I wanted.

Grrrrr,
 
Part of the reason I shoot a 60 year old Bear recurve without sights is because it’s plain fun. Even a miss; firing cedar at squirrels along the bank from my strip canoe is more rewarding than harvesting game with a $1,200 rifle combo. Best $50 I spent at age 15.

I pay enough attention to accuracy and fundamentals to know what’s ethical for me and misses aren’t the fault of equipment by half. Half MOA consistently is a rifle worth keeping, be it 3 shot groups from a sporter or a full magazine from a bull.
 
As for light triggers.....somebody commented on my pref for them.....i set mine light.....but only if they are safe. Not talking a light bbl tap on edge of carpeted bench top ( seen a supposed smith test one that way ). Nope. Mine stay safe...banged rather hard. Safety on or off, flicked hard after such testing. FWIW i used to work under microscopes and was considered tops in my company....which was rather large. So while i might not be part of the washed or unwashed masses....i know WTH I am doing and maybe have finer sensitivity than some. Maybe
 
Time and health changes can affect ones sensitivity to touch.....or even knowing where their hand/ finger is in general. My dad is pushing 80 and type 2. Anything w under. 3# trigger is too light for him now. He used to like em heavier even in his prime.....than what i did. We are just different. Dont think hes ever had as fine of feeling sense as me. Give him credit though.....not quite the bull in the china shop type. I wont go into the experienced shooter that tested my 600 and tripped it because he had his finger dragging the side as he flipped safety. I watched him do it.....and he swore he didn't. Yeah....experienced too. Lots of people think one thing and do something else. Not all accidents are accidents
 
I dont loan out guns. But if i did they would not have triggers set to my pref. Know they are probably too light for most. My 700 or contender handgun? Light. My 760.....would be an ok loaner gun. As would have been my #1 RSI. Proly 4# triggers.
 
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Reading many gun tests in several different gun magazines, posted group size averages with good factory rifles, shooting factory ammo, there aren't many factory rifles under $1,000 that will consistently shoot sub 1" groups. Handloading would probably make a difference, even without "tweaking" the rifle, but that wouldn't be a fair test of the average shooter's expectations, unless both several types of factory and a few handloads were tested, as some magazines do.

I wish some magazine or organization would let me borrow a factory rifle and provide several types of factory ammo for me to test, then let me make some handloads and shoot several groups to tailor the load to the rifle, then write up the article comparing the results.

I'm not so interested as to spending my hard-earned money to buy a rifle and all the ammo to do the testing, however.
 
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My used but bone stock first 700 BDL was a .243 that did iirc around 2" w one factory ammo. Sanded the bump out, free floated and got some handloads from a bud and it did an inch. Bedding the action and handloading got it sub half inch. Best 700 I ever had. Shiny. Got a matte ADL and did same work.....was a .5" rig. IMHO Remingtons used to respond favorably to tweaks back in the day. Good stuff was there. I dunno how things have changed since. Back then Rem was a safe bet
 
I like my Blackwidow recurve

First time I shot one at age 16 was 75 lbs @ 29”, about an inch shy of my draw. That sucker felt a damn sight lighter than my Howatt Hunter at 65 lbs. Actually just looked over the line-up last week deciding where to spend my floor overtime but I just can’t pull the trigger. Someday I’ll run into a used Brackenbury and make it mine or an Armbruster Zebra longbow.

Sorry for the off topic, just a bit of meandering down memory lane on how carefree life was before I got old.
 
I had my first Widow built in '87.(MA2, 62#, 62")
Had another done in 2001 (SA2, 55#, 58")
This an 04 model I had built (SA2 57#@28", 58")....was quartering away, was up in a stand, entrance visible.
Have had three HS, one HF1225 Hunter and one Target.
Current is a FF rated HS, 54#, 58". Took me quite a while to find one.
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