Reloading 0.308 Winchester

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Hi
Just acquired a Ruger M77 Mk1 in 0.308 Win.

Intend to reload using 150 grain FMJ BT Match bullets using H4895 & N150.

However I would like to load some much lighter bullets.
110 grain FMJ RN.
Has anyone reloaded the 0.308 using such a light & RN configuration bullet.
This is just for paper punching. So just looking for decent grouping.
Any comments would be most welcome.

Yamavira :)
 
Well, My hodgdons manual suggests starting 110gr as follows :

H4895 46.1 gr start , 49.0 gr max
COAL 2.690

Shows a difference of only 200 FPS between start and max charge velocity.


Dealing with those silly laws again ? something about only shooting paper with paperclips, perhaps ? :)

Honestly, You might be better off perfecting the 150 gr. I seem to remember you having some difficulty with expanding ammo laws, but if you've solved that/worked around it- sierras 168 gr matchking is an awesome bullet.
 
110gr work well in 308, 30-30, 30-06 with H4895. Check the Hodgdon site or google "Youth Loads" if you want to have more of a choice of velocity & recoil.
 
Intend to reload using 150 grain FMJ BT Match bullets using H4895 & N150.

However I would like to load some much lighter bullets.
110 grain FMJ RN.
Has anyone reloaded the 0.308 using such a light & RN configuration bullet.
This is just for paper punching. So just looking for decent grouping.

Yamavira,

That bullet is designed for the .30 Carbine, and is not a bullet to use in the .308 if you are looking for decent grouping. Why don't you just reduce the charge weight with your 150gr bullets?

Don
 
0.308 Loads

Hi
Much appreciate you replying to my queries.
H4895 appears to be the powder to use in the 0.308, behind a 150 grain FMJ BT bullet. Do not need or want to use any heavier bullet.
I will also load some 110 grain FMJ RN to see how they group in this particular rifle. According to the information I have sourced Ruger used to outsource for the M77 Mk1 barrels resulting in some good 'uns and some bad 'uns. Here's hoping I have acquired a good one.

Keeping within the law here is a constant "battle". Sure there must be someone sitting behind a desk somewhere thinking of the next step towards a total ban on civilian ownership of firearms.

Always remember "Utopia does not exist". You have to make the best of what you have.

Thanks Again
yamavira :)
 
I have had good luck with the sierra matchking 168gr, normal to achieve a 1.5 to 2 group at two hundred yards with a 350$ marlin xs7 and a 95.00 nikon 3x9-40mm quite happy with this setup , wolfbane
 
Funny you should mention this. I have been working up some loads with light .308's myself. I wanted to try a plinking round with low recoil with the possibility of also making a varmint round with a light bullet.

Hornady makes some 100 grain short jacket .308 bullets #3005. My most accurate light load is 11 grains of Unique. Seat the bullet just under .25" for a COAL of 2.328". That's where the jacket ends. Leave a fingernail's width of copper showing. I get <1" groups at 50 yards.

Here is a picture of the loaded round. The properly seated bullet is on the far right.

Here is a scan of the 50 yd group. The "flyers" are from other test rounds and are not part of the #3005 group.

Another good bullet is the 110g RN plated bullet by Xtreme bullets in Nevada. These are thick copper plated lead bullets meant for 30 M1 carbine rounds, but work fine in .308, 30-30, 30-06 etc. My best load so far has been 10 grains of Unique seated 2.300" to the ogive with a COAL of 2.51". Picture of the bullet and loaded cartridge.

Here is a scan of test shots fired last Friday with this load. Again, I was limited to 50 yards, but this bullet also looks promising. These bullets look like a better candidate for plinking simply because they are less expensive with 500 costing $40 compared to 100/$15 for the Hornady bullets. If I were into casting, I would probably cast some 30M1 carbine bullets and save even more per shot.

These loads were in the 1800-1900fps range which is comparable to M1 carbine speeds and well below the intended max speeds for the bullets.

The Varmint work hasn't been too great. I did work up a load that sent the #3005's around 3000fps, but the groupings have not been very good so far. At least I now have a fun low recoil round that is fairly inexpensive to shoot and is fairly accurate.
 
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If small groups on paper are your goal, you might want to try several different bullet weights. ONE will perform better than all the others mostly die to the twist rate of the rifling. Also due to the barrel weight and its harmonics.

I have a Remington 700 SS 5-R Milspec which is supposed to have a twist rate that is optimized for a 173 gr. bullet. I have shot 150's, 155's, 165's, and 175 gr bullets and the absolute best performer at ranges from 100 to 300 yards is the 175 gr. Go figure.

Do a ladder test for each bullet weight you choose and then pick the best performing weight.
 
I love Hogdon 4895, it burns cleanly and i get consistent velocity. I reload for older, case hardened guns( M1916). Pushing a 150-175 grain with 38.5-40.0 grains is my max. Try IMR 4064. Good powder for most rifle rounds(I heard it was good for very light bullets, but no personal experience)
 
+1 to rsrocket1 results. I loaded the 3005 for lever gun and it is cheap and a blast. Will do same for 308 Marlin when I get some brass. Hornady also does the RN carbine with soft point for lever guns that I will try.
 
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