Reloading 30/30 and need to find 150 gr HP slugs

[redbullitt]

I like that speer hot core 130 too. It is loaded up and ready for any close shots on deer this monday.

My 30 30 is a break action encore. With a 12 inch barrel MGM barrel I get just about 2025 FPS with that bullet and 35g of Varget. Load looks to be warm but not hot. Hodgdon lists 36g to be a max load at 2500 fps from a 24 inch barrel.

I like the extra velocity with my short barrel. The 150s and 170s were just a bit slow for my taste. 165 cast bullets could kiss 1900 fps though!

Looks like the 130 would be a good blackout bullet too.

 

[alientrainwreck]

I'm gonna try them out in my blackout soon , I've heard good things it may be the ticket.

 

[the Black Spot]

Great! Now i am drooling again!!

 

[Deaf Smith]

Trainwreck,

Did you shorten the stock on the first (top) Marlin 336?

Deaf

 

[alientrainwreck]

Deaf, No it hasnt been shortned. I just take terrible pictures . I see I posted the same picture twice, first timer for me and this new site I had to figure out how to do it. The Bullets are 160FTX on left and 130speer on the right.

 

[Deaf Smith]

Looks like that AI round's neck is just long enough for a 170. Maybe.

Ok, after deer season I'll bite and see if Fugget will do both the AI rechamber and make sure it's 100 percent functional.

Thanks,

Deaf

 

[alientrainwreck]

Ya, he don't get in a hurry but it's gonna be done right. He'll test fire himself several times before he lets it go out the door.

 

[GooseGestapo]

Sorry, I haven't had good luck with the Speer 130gr FN.
Insufficient expansion at .30/30 velocity.
However, the Sierra 125 FNHP has been superlative. I load it over 36.0gr RL15 for 2,500fps. Accurate and effective on our smallish deer.
Currently awaiting an opportunity to try the 150gr Nosler Ballistic Silver tip over 38.5gr LVR. Gets 2,400+fps from my 3 .30/30's.

 

[alientrainwreck]

I had a terrible experience with the Nosler Ballistic tip bullet. Probably the most inhumane deer That I have ever killed. Took 5 shots to the vitals and finally 1 shot to the head. First shot was around 40yrds it would knock him down but he'd get back up and run about 20yds then I would shot again after I had only 1round left and he was down thrashing around I ran up close for a head shot. I may have well been shooting fmj's. I do like some of the nosler ballistic tips, but not the silver tip ever again.

 

[GooseGestapo]

Alientrainwreck , I'm sure we're talking two completely different bullets.
These are loaded by Winchester in their Supreme line for the .30/30.
Also available as a component bullet. They are noted for both rapid expansion but also a thick heavy base that limits expansion and ensure deep penetration.

 

[alientrainwreck]

That's what I was shooting factory loaded Winchester supreme, black molycoated bullet with a grey color tip. These bullets were fired from a 7mm magnum all hitting their mark and exiting leaving nickel size holes. They should have been doing major damage at that range @ 3k fps . Maybe the 30-30 with slower velocity will alow them to expand properly.

 

[WestKentucky]

I might try the 130 gr Speer or the 125 gr Sierra.

I shot some 125 Gr Federal HPs (factory ammo) today at the range. My Texan has Skinner 'minimalist' aperture sight.

100 yards I got a real good 2 inch group (and the front sight takes up lots of area at that range.)

I have LeverEvolution power and I see it can get to 2600 fps! Fortunately the websites say those two bullets are good out to 2600 fps.

But, are these two bullets to light for deer?

Deaf

Doesn't take much to put a deer flat on its rear in a hurry. There's a tradeoff between weight and speed...and as speed jumps up the bullet is more likely to fragment. A whitetail doesn't require deep penetration so fragmenting is only an issue if it gets into meat, otherwise it's a good thing as it puts more holes in more organs and more blood on the ground more quickly.

 

[loose noose]

Deafsmith, I can understand the lighter bullet for velocity, but I don't understand the reason for a hollow point on deer, I would be concerned that the projectile, hitting a bone and exploding, before it hit the vitals. I've used a hand cast, with a gas check in the 150 grain, however I do have Ballard rifling in my Marlin Cowboy along with aperture sights. I've shot a few feral hogs using that round and it does stop them almost immediately. The recovered round (which are far and few between) have been almost perfectly mushroomed, the remainder have gone thru and thru. BTW the maximum range has been usually just less than 100 yards.

 

[Deaf Smith]

Deafsmith, I can understand the lighter bullet for velocity, but I don't understand the reason for a hollow point on deer, I would be concerned that the projectile, hitting a bone and exploding, before it hit the vitals.

Well that's the way they come and thus HP it is. The company says it's good for deer, so what do I know?

Deaf

 

[MtnCreek]

Per Sierra, they are designed for max range of 125 to 150 yds. I assume that's due to the very low bc quickly bleeding off velocity. I bought the same bullets the other week to load for 30-30win / small SE deer. Hopefully they'll work well for both of us.

Trainwreck, I had a similar issue with standard Nosler BT's (not the win/nosler branded) in 7rem mag. ~20yd shot was passthrough with no expansion. ~125yds they'd ruin both shoulders and a 1/3 the backstrap. It seemed there was no in between with them in that cartridge. I love them in 30cal though.

 

[alientrainwreck]

Ya , I took that rem 700bdlDM Mountain Rifle to my friends at the getttin place and traded for another just like it but in 30-06 and then went across the street and had it Ackley improved, I got it back a couple months later. I've shot all kinds of bullets through the gun but it really took a shine to Hornady 165gr SST interlock and they will really mess a deer up. I mean you gotta place ur shot or you'll ruin half the meat.