My load for the .45 ACP is 3.8 grains of Clays under a 200 gr. LRNFP bullet, a quite accurate round. I haven't used Clays for the .357, but I have used it quite a bit for the .38 Spl. Again, I use 3.8 grains of Clays, but this time it's under a 127 gr. LRNFP bullet. I never have gotten around to chronographing either of these loads, but they seem to work well for general purpose practice.
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