rem 700 long range 30 06 vs 300 win mag

[Snyper]

So let's back up a second, you want a target gun and a hunting gun.
A lot of times the two are mutually exclusive.
For example, a good target gun stock is going to be heavy.
The barrel contour will be heavy.
The glass will be high-powered.
The hunting rifle wants almost all the opposite things.

That depends on where and how you hunt

Do a search for "beanfield rifles" and you'll have a hard time distinguishing them from dedicated "target" rifles

 

[tuj]

Do a search for "beanfield rifles" and you'll have a hard time distinguishing them from dedicated "target" rifles

The distinguishing factor for me, is that from what I could find on the Jarrett rifles, they have not won a regional or local championship in F-class or Palma. I have no doubt they are fine rifles, but consider me a little bit skeptical when he says he is controlling his barrels to 0.00001" tolerances (yes, that is 1/100,000th of an inch) and not saying *how*. AFAIK, you need some serious equipment to measure that accurately like air gauge.

Bore uniformity after rifling can be measured with an air gauge, a probe that is moved through the barrel with constant air pressure recording variations from specified dimensions. Shilen's air gauges are sensitive to 50 millionths of an inch. John Krieger recommends that every barrel be trimmed at least an inch at the muzzle when fitted to the rifle because the tooling used in bore finishing can leave a slight flare at the ends. Krieger barrels are lapped to just under 16 microinches in the direction of bullet travel. They're held to a tolerance of .0005 of an inch over nominal groove and bore dimensions, but the dimensions are uniform to within .0001 of an inch. Pac-Nor (button-rifling) and H-S Precision (cut-rifling) specify tolerances of .0003 of an inch for the bore diameter. Pac-Nor limits variation in groove diameter to .0001 of an inch.

Not saying it can't be done, but I'm skeptical this guy is doing that, especially since the 80's.

 

[Snyper]

The distinguishing factor for me, is that from what I could find on the Jarrett rifles, they have not won a regional or local championship in F-class or Palma

They are bought by hunters, not match shooters

That doesn't change the fact they are built like target rifle, not like the typcal "sporter rifle".

Winning matches means nothing in this context

 

[Sav .250]

What would I get? You said, long range. Possibly out to a 1,000 yards.

I`d never buy a weapon/cal by committee . To many un-answered questions.

I`ll pass.

 

[jmr40]

A 308 or one of the 6.5's is enough gun for punching paper at 1000, and more than enough gun for your stated maximum of 300 yards for hunting. The extra speed of the 300 magnum makes for a flatter shooting round. But at 300 yard hunting ranges the difference is irrelevent. At 1000 yard targets you know the range and can adjust the sights. Once again it is irrelevent.

The 30-06 splits the difference in recoil and effective range. For hunting purposes at longer ranges the 30-06 or 300 magnum offer a slight advantage, none for your stated purposes.

 

[Casefull]

If I had a nickel for everytime someone said 6.5 when discussing the 30 calibers.
Well, I'd have a buck by the time this thread is over.

That is true and funny. Since the op asked for which one I would say the win mag. If you are going with a long action you might as well have some case capacity.

 

[horsemen61]

Thanks for all the replies guys

 

[strambo]

If you handload, 30.06 can be tailored with 210g VLD bullets at a pretty decent clip making for an excellent long range load that is a lot easier on the powder than a 300WM.

 

[horsemen61]

I do handload so strambo id love to hear about your 210 grain loads for the 06

 

[strambo]

Heh, figures you'd ask for details. I didn't post details 'cause I don't load for the -06, but I have encountered multiple people on long range forums who are safely getting in the neighborhood of 2900fps with the 210s in longer barrels.

Worth investigating before you make your final decision since the 06 will be lighter on recoil, powder, good to 1000yds plus and great for game to 300yds.

I bought a 300 WM with the intention of shooting 1000yds many years ago, still haven't taken out that far, if I could start over, I'd have gotten just a .308.

 

[horsemen61]

Thanks for the info strambo

 

[Pablito1]

I shoot the 208 grain A-Max in my 30/06. It is super accurate with RL 22 powder. The best accuracy is 58.5 grains of said RL22. I have been up to 61 grains of this powder with no high pressure signs but very poor grouping.

The 58.5 grain load produces 2460 FPS in my rifle. The OAL is 3.5 inches.

I use this load for targets at 800 yards.

Regards, Pablo

 

[SSN Vet]

300 WM??

imo, it's not the recoil but the earth shattering kaboom. Double up your hearing protection, unless you want to train yourself to flinch.

 

[USSR]

I shot in 1,000 yard F Class competition with the .30-06 rifle below. The load I used duplicated the Federal .300WM Gold Medal Match ammo (190SMK @ 2900fps).

Don

 

[Pablito1]

My rifle is a stock 22 inch barrel. To get up to 2900 FPS I have to drop back to 165 grain bullets.

On the discussion of the 06 verses the 300 for me it's recoil. For example in the 06 with 165 grainers the powder charge is 65 grains verses 80 grains for the 180 bullet in the 300. With that much increase in both powder and bullet weights it's a lot more recoil if you are shooting several rounds.

Both are great however.

Regards, Pablo

 

[horsemen61]

Don what barrel length is that btw sweet gun

 

[USSR]

It's a 26" Krieger MTU contour barrel.

Don

 

[horsemen61]

Don I'd love to hear that load maybe pm me it ?

 

[USSR]

Hi horsemen61,

It's not really a secret or dangerous load. It all goes back about 15 years ago on the Sniper's Hide website. Myself and MontanaMarine on that site both had the same idea: take advantage of the .30-06's large case capacity by loading a Sierra 190gr MatchKing with a slow burn rate powder to reach 2900fps. Now, to find the right powder. I tried 2 powders: H4831SC and RL-22. It quickly became evident that H4831SC wasn't going to cut it as it struggled to reach 2800fps. But, RL-22 was outstanding and reached 2900fps with 60.7gr in a Lapua case. MontanaMarine came to the same conclusion, and he used over 61 grains in his Norma brass to reach the same velocity. I shot it for 3 years in 1,000 yard F Class Competition before switching over to a 6.5x55.

Don

 

[d2wing]

Some great posts. I would get the 30-06. Unless you are serious about shooting 1000 yards or more. You don't have to justify it to me. I have always liked the 30-06 and it will do everything I want to do at the ranges I want to do it. But I speak as a hunter, not a long range target shooter.