Remington 31 16 Gauge

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I just wanted to get an impression of how those who have had experience with this gun feel about it. There is one for sale nearby that is in overall good condition. I beleive that it is the forerunner to the legendary Wingmaster. Cosmetically the gun has definately been used but not abused. The metal and bluing is approx. 80% with a few minor scratches/blemishes. The wood is sound with no cracks but there are numerous scratches (not deep) and the finish has seen better days. I guess I'm building up to a price check here:p
The guy is asking $325 for it but I'm sure I could get him to go $300. I noticed that it is open at the bottom port, there is no carrier like on the pumps I have owned. It does have a side ejection port as well. I really want to get into the wonderful world of the 16 gauge and am thinnking this would be a good entry point. A few questions:

Are the receivers on these models machined like the W12/I37 or stamped like most later guns? I really didn't take time to notice when I breifly looked it over. I am ususally drawn towards double guns but this one caught my eye.

Was there some design related reason for this model being DC'd or did it just become too expensive like so many other guns?

There seems to be a wealth of info on the W12 and I37 but not much on the ole' 31...:confused:

Thanks,
Brian
 
Are the receivers on these models machined like the W12/I37

Don't insult the 31 like that.:D

Seriously, it's a gorgeous, expensive-to-make, machined gun like the Model 12, and if not bashed up, I think it's tighter and smoother.

It bears no resemblance to the stamped stuff Remington has made since after the War. Like the Model 12, it was too expensive to sell well, compared to the Wingmaster. But it's not too expensive to buy it now.:D

I haven't seen too many, and fewer for sale. What I've seen has impressed me greatly (as in, this is a Remington?1?).
 
There's a nice one in 16 ga. on Gunbroker for a few more hours- http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=120522941

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Here's some history-

Remington has been making pumpguns for a long time. They started in 1907 with a design from John D. Pederson, the Model 1910 (later just Model 10). It was a streamlined, hammerless, bottom ejecting, takedown, 6-shot 12 gauge with only a bottom opening in the receiver. The Model 10 saw service as a trench gun in WWI.

After a few years of production, Remington execs sought a design that was less expensive to produce than the Model 10. They found their answers in a design from the legendary Johhn M. Browning- the last magazine shotgun Browning designed before his death. Browning's design incorporated all the advantages of the Model 10, and improved on them. Production of the new design was anticipated for the year 1917, and the new gun was so designated- the Model 17. But wartime production had fully occupied the factory, and it was not until 1921 that the tooling for the new design was completed and production finally began.

Production of the Model 17 ran until 1933. More improvements to the old Model 10 design were forthcoming from Remington designer Crawford C. Loomis, resulting in the production of what came to be called the Model 29, since it first saw production in 1929. It was a bottom ejecting and bottom loading, streamlined, takedown pumpgun with a five round magazine.

The onset of the Depression in 1929 left Remington in a tight place. They needed firearms designs that could be produced inexpensively and sold for a profit. Loomis began work on such designs, along with every other Remington engineer. Tooling for the new pump shotgun design began in 1930, and marketing commenced in 1931. True to form, the new shotgun was dubbed the Model 31.

The Model 31 was a major departure from Remington's previous slide action shotgun designs. It was a side ejecting design that only loaded from the bottom- the days of the ambidextrous bottom loading and bottom ejecting designs was over. In addition, the new design employed as many steel stampings as possible to simplify manufacturing and lower costs of production.

The design was essentially a side-ejecting version of the Model 17- it used the same tipping bolt lockup, the same shell stops and trigger plate. These mechanisms had been proven in previous generations of the design. Only the lifter and related parts were different.

The Model 31 was a streamlined, five shot, side ejecting, hammerless, takedown shotgun. During World War II, the government purchased a number of the riot model of the Model 31- but since the heat shield/bayonet adapter then in use wouldn't fit it, those guns saw duty only in security and related jobs, never in combat.

Production of the Model 31 ran until 1949, just before the first of the new Model 870s began flowing into Remington's warehouse.

hth,

lpl (data from Swearengen)
 
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http://www.remington.com/library/history/firearm_models/shotguns/model_31.asp

Firearm Model History

Model 31
Description: Remington's first side ejecting repeating shotgun
Introduction Year: 1931
Year Discontinued: 1949
Total Production: Approximately 196,000
Designer/Inventor: C.C. Loomis
Action Type: Pump action
Caliber/Gauge: 12, 16, 20 gauge
Serial Number Blocks: 12 ga. 0,000 – 121,000
16 & 20 ga. 500,000 – 575,000
Grades Offered: 31A
31AC
31AP – Standard Grade
31B – Special Grade
31D – Tournament Grade
31E – Expert Grade
31F – Premier Grade
31H – Hunter's Special
31P – Police Grade
31R – Riot Grade
31 Skeet
31D Skeet Tournament
31E Skeet Expert
31F Skeet Premier
31 Trap Special Grade
31S-D Trap Tournament
31S-E Trap Expert
31S-F Trap Premier
31TC Trap (or Tournament) Grade
31T-D Target Tournament
31T-E Target Expert
31T-F Target Premier
Variations: Model 31 New Improved in a Skeet Gun, TC Target Grade, Police Special, and Riot Gun
Model 31 New Improved Lightweight with Aluminum Receivers in a A,B,D,E,F, Skeet and Riot Grades (the letter "L" preceded the grade, ex. Model 31LA)

Model 31 Long-Range Guns in A Grade, New Improved A Grade, Trap Grade, Hunter's Special Grade, and Trap Grade (the letter "X" preceded the grade, ex. Model 31XA)
 
Before the Model 31- and after...

lpl
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http://www.buckmasters.com/bm/Resou...icleView/articleId/1151/Americas-Shotgun.aspx

America's Shotgun

By Gary Engberg

-- There is little doubt that the Remington 870 pump-action shotgun is the best-selling and most popular firearm ever produced by Remington in its 189-year history. The Model 870 is truly King of the shotguns and one of, if not the, most successful sporting guns ever produced in the world.

Here's a little history on the favorite shotgun of America. Remington recognized at the end of World War II that the industrial world was changing. The price of labor was increasing and automation was beginning to take hold and change America.

At the time, the Remington Model 31 was its top pump shotgun, but the company recognized that the new era of automation was changing the face of America and many guns in its line were just too expensive to manufacture. The Model 31 was singled out as being one model that was too costly to continue producing even though many shooters believed that it was superior to the famous Winchester Model 12. The Model 31 had many precision-machined parts and the hand-fitting required kept it from being cost-effective for Remington to continue building.

Remington engineers, which included L. Ray Critterdon, Phillip Haskell, Ellis Hailston and G.E. Pinkney, were faced with developing a replacement for the Model 31, which could and would be built entirely on high-speed production machinery and then assembled by semi-skilled workers.

Wayne Whitemarsh of Sauk City, Wis., with his vintage 1960s Remington 870 and Bo, left, and Gem. He still uses the gun for upland game, waterfowl and has a slug barrel for white-tailed deer.

The Remington 870 was the fourth major design change in the company's production of pump shotguns. John Pederson designed the fragile Model 10 and working with John Browning helped design the Model 17, which was later produced by Ithaca as the Ithaca 37 and eventually served as the blueprint for the Remington Model 31.

While the Model 31 was a great shotgun, sales struggled when pitted against the Winchester Model 12. Remington sought to correct that figure and its engineers realized that they could save money by incorporating items that they currently produced. So, they began utilizing parts from their stock 1187 autoloader. Prior to the 870, all guns were made from milled parts that were hand-fitted to each gun, which was very expensive. During World War II, Remington had developed a process to stamp the metal parts in the production of the 1903A3 military rifle, and this technology was what paved the way for the Model 870.

In 1949, the Model 31 was discontinued after only 18 years of production and in 1950 its replacement, the Model 870 was introduced. The new Model 870 shotgun breech locked securely into a hardened barrel extension, and a new locking block and slide was developed for a precise and smooth operation. The Model 870 was modern, streamlined, inexpensive and above all reliable.

The shotgun's features include a bottom-loading, side-ejecting receiver, tubular magazine under the barrel, dual-action bars, and a bolt that locks into an extension in the barrel as earlier mentioned. The action, receiver, trigger mechanism, safety catch and slide release catch of the Remington Model 870 shotgun are very similar to those of the Remington model 7600 pump-action centerfire rifles. For reference, many of the parts of the 870 will interchange with the semi-auto Remington Model 1100 and the 11-87.

The Model 870 SPS ShurShot Synthetic Fully Rifled Cantilever shotgun has a fully rifled 23-inch barrel which handles today's high-performance slug loads.
When the Model 870 hit retail stores in 1950 officials knew that they had a "winner" from the beginning and wanted to take advantage of the booming middle class of the post-war years. Big Green did not enter the market tentatively with only a few models of its new and innovative Model 870.

Initially, there were 15 different models of the 870 in 12, 16, and 20 gauges and all with 23/4-inch chambers. The standard 870 was priced at $69.95 when first introduced to the public. The 12-gauge 870 Magnum with a 3-inch chamber was produced in 1955; the first 870 slug gun, the Brushmaster, hit the woods in 1961; the initial 28-gauge and .410 guns with their scaled down receivers were introduced in 1966; left-handers got their wish with "southpaw" models in 1971; the first camo finished models appeared in 1997, and finally the 12-gauge Express Super Magnum chambered for 31/2-inch shells came out in 1998.

When the Remington Model 870 was first introduced many hunters and shooters, who had been accustomed to the machined parts, blued metal, and the fine walnut of other pump guns like the Remington Model 31 and Winchester Model 12 were critical of the stamped parts and homely looks of the new Model 870. It took Remington 15 years to build their first million guns, but then the Model 870 took off and after that it took only two more years for production to reach two million shotguns.

Remington's 870 Wingmaster 100th Anniversary edition features gold inlays and high-gloss walnut stock and fore-end.
Then, between 1973 and 1978 another million units were built, and by 1984 the fourth million guns were manufactured for the ever-increasing demand of hunters and shooters. Two more million guns were manufactured between 1984 and 1993, and the seven millionth Model 870 was assembled in 1996. Now, the number of 870s produced by Remington has exceeded eight million.

Why has the Remington model 870 been the most popular gun ever manufactured? First, Remington has always made a point of making many different variations of the Model 870 that fit nearly every nook and cranny in the shotgun world. This goes far beyond the world of hunting and includes all the shooting sports. Second, the gun was a great bargain. Lastly, the Remington Model 870 was a reliable gun that performed magnificently under adverse conditions, is durable enough to stand up to decades of rugged use and is reasonably priced.

Jack Heath, who was the Remington historian for 34 years before he retired in 1996, said, "The 870 is one of the most reliable shotguns ever made. It's like a Timex watch - it takes a licking and keeps on ticking."

It's easy to see why the Remington model 870 is king of the shotgun world or as the gun manufacture says on its website, "Pump-action shotguns fall into two categories: the Remington Model 870 and all the others."

I'll agree with that observation, and I'm sure many of you do, too!
 
I have three model 31s and my favorite of them is my 16 gauge model 31H hunters special which has nice checkering and a raised rib. These were known as "the ball bearing corn shucker" for a reason as some say (including me) that they were the slickest actioned pump gun ever made. You have to watch the chamber length on the 16 gauge though, as those prior to about 1937 had 2 9/16th" chambers and are not safe for modern 2 3/4" shells with out being rechambeed and he forcing cone lengthened. Unless the chamber is marked as 2 3/4" I would not buy it for that price.
 
Thanks so much for the information guys, really appreciate it. I have been busy doing some (online)comparative pricing and I don't feel that the gun is worth what the shop owner wants for it--considering the condition of the gun. I'm a patient collector and will keep looking. I really want a better kept example of this venerable model.
 
Hello friends and neighbors // Just putting this back up out of respect for the Model 31 and the Model 870.

I have a Model 31 from August 1945.
The reciever reads only 31 no "A" or other letter designation.

The action had been coated in black axle grease and seemed sluggish when completely open, probably due to migration of the grease while standing barrel up. I cleaned all grease and dust build up off the parts and reassembled, she is quite slick now.

The only over worn part seems to be the manual slide release button. I have to push the button in fully and deliberately for it to work. Having never had a new Model 31 I do not know how the release should feel.

The 870s I own have all been great, dependable shotguns.
My oldest are Wingmasters from 1960 a 12ga. and a 20ga. still running fine.
My favorite is a 1976 Wingmaster 12ga. with an 18 3/4" and 28" barrels, both VR.

The 870 Express has also proven to be a fine firearm, although not as refined as the 31 or the Wingmaster.
My 1993 Express 20ga. with 21"VR is fast becomming my go to firearm for HD and my 2009 18 1/2" Tactical with Ghost Ring sights will sport a 30" double bead VR this hunting season.
The 870s are proliflc for a reason (over 10 million sold since 1950) so if you are looking to purchase a shotgun the 870 Wingmaster or Express are well worth the look in addition the the venerable Model 31.

Good luck finding what works for you.

**thanks for the info Lee Lapin
 
You have to watch the chamber length on the 16 gauge though, as those prior to about 1937 had 2 9/16th" chambers

BAD INFO!! Not Remingtons!! All the Remington repeaters in 16 ga were 2 3/4" guns
 
While the Model 31 was a great shotgun, sales struggled when pitted against the Winchester Model 12. Remington sought to correct that figure and its engineers realized that they could save money by incorporating items that they currently produced. So, they began utilizing parts from their stock 1187 autoloader.

The Model 11-87 came along in, duh, 1987.
 
New Remington 31 16ga Owner

Hello everyone,

I have just acquired a Remington Model 31 16ga. I'm not sure what year it was made, which shells to use, or anything really. I'm new to this world.

Have a cleaning kit. Not sure what to look for when inspecting the gun to make sure it's operational. Gun appears to be really clean and in great condition, but my eyes are untrained.

And I hear it's better to keep the chamber open when not in use to save the spring inside.

Can ya'll point me in the right direction?

Got some shells, they're 2 3/4". Will they work?

Is there a site where I can lookup the serial number to see when the gun was made?

Thanks and thanks to everyone who posted all the info in this thread. Have already learned about 500% more than I did this morning just from reading it.

Jethro
 
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The Model 11-87 came along in, duh, 1987.
Some people confuse the 11-87 with the 11-48, a recoil operated autoloader that kicked like the A5, that "double-shuffle" wham-bam. I disliked both and personally think the 1100 is the best thing since sliced bread along with the 870 (which I think has less perceived recoil than the 11-48)... :cool:
 
You sound like you are good to go on that 31. I was corrected in that all Rem Model 31 16 gauges have 2 3/4 chamber, and I believe that now. I would spray some Marvel Mystery oil into the action and trigger unit nd work it some and let it drip out and wipe up extra. On old guns I have found the light turbine oil of the Marvel Mystery oil to loosen old congealed oil deposits and flush away debris and grime. The Mystery Oil will dry up in a few weeks so don't consider it a permanent storage lube. It just frees up sticky old guns and provides lubrication to get them working again.
 
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