Remington 700

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yep, by definition..."An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion"
That pretty much explains it.

Hate to pull rank on ya---BUT who's been here going on 7 years and who's been here slightly over one??
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So posting on the internet alot makes you an expert? Now that is funny. Judging by your posts, you post more than you actually shoot.

Should be apologizing for wasting my time.
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Sorry for interjecting any type of reasonable, fact based dialogue into the discussion. I know it interferes with your trolling. Apologies.
 
The last 700 VS I had in .308, I handed it straight to the in house smith, had him lighten the trigger to 3 lbs, and it was shooting 1-1/2 moa at 100 with 168 gr core-lokt ammo off a sandbag. That was BEFORE I had a chance to size the chamber and try handloads. Not sure what it is you expect a rifle to do better than that.
 
ok back on topic

From my research the biggest minus against the 700, as stated, is the trigger sucks.
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Not sure about the new xmark pro triggers(don't have one), but before those, remington triggers were easy to adjust even for a non-gunsmith like myself. I adjusted several down below 3 lbs and crisp. Now sure if you want a 8 oz trigger you hafta go aftermarket, but for a stock trigger they are pretty darn good, although lately the savage accutrigger is probably setting the standard for factory triggers.
 
The last 700 VS I had in .308, I handed it straight to the in house smith, had him lighten the trigger to 3 lbs, and it was shooting 1-1/2 moa at 100 with 168 gr core-lokt ammo off a sandbag. That was BEFORE I had a chance to size the chamber and try handloads. Not sure what it is you expect a rifle to do better than that.
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Don't take this as a bash on remy's - note my previous unbiased post.

My Savage 10FCP with HS Precision stock shot a .488 5 shot group at 100 yards on day 1 with Blackhills match ammo 175gr.

Remy's are great to modify - Savages shoot great out of the box.

I am jealous of the AICS stock mods and 10 round mags the Remy's can get - which I can't. It really depends on what you want to do and how much you want to spend.
 
I have had several remingtons that were sub 1/2moa out of the box. Really Remington and Savage both make fantastic rifles, and I'll be the first to admit Savage overall is likely at least as good, plus they're a bit cheaper. Can't go wrong with either in my opinion.
 
I actually prefer the new trigger. Usually all that needs adjusting is the pull weight. They do not adjust down quite as low. I can get them around a safe 2lbs. The older ones of course could be tuned down to 1-1.5lbs. But the xmark is crisper imo and more consistent. I've noticed they don't vary by more than 1 ounce between pulls. They're both good triggers IMO. And the crisp fast lock time is a benefit of 700's IMO too.
 
Another option to look at is the Weatherby Vanguard series of rifles.
I've had good results with mine. The Vanguard doesn't have a big aftermarket following.

My dad had a Rem 700 that is now a 3rd generation deer killing machine. My brother has it & our nephew took his first with it. His little girl was the one that spotted the deer & pointed it out.

Nothing wrong with a 700 or Savage. The sooner you make a decision & move ahead the sooner you will get results. What your going to do with the rifle makes a difference. On a popular rifle you can find resources for what you need.

You can get into details like bolt throw angle, venting and compare features like floorplate, safety etc. too.
 
I was looking at these two for a while, and I still haven't settled on what rifle I am going to purchase, but I'm also considering the FN line of bolt guns-basically model 70s with better stocks-but they are a little bit more pricey than most 700s or Savages. I'm really in between an FN or doing some work on a 700 and leaning the 700 direction lately, maybe buying a relatively inexpensive one and building it up, but who knows.

I have heard a couple knocks on the 700 concerning the safety, and I've heard people say that the receiver is relatively less stiff than others but that seems to me like its more theoretical than real considering the 700 has been the pick for most LR shooters and military snipers for years. Another complaint I have heard is that it is hard to disassemble the bolt and innards if it is necessary to replace a part or anything like that. You probably wouldn't do it for ordinary cleaning, but if something were to break it might be necessary and apparently is not easy. Theres also the old debate between push feed and controlled feed, but I'd probably only be worried about that if you were going to use it for dangerous game hunting or something like that

This is just what I have learned from researching a little...I don't own a 700, yet at least, so I can't comment on whether any of these have real world implications, though I would guess not judging from where the 700 and its variants are in service. An off the shelf 700 isn't going to be an M-24, but it is what the M-24 is made from, and it's probably easier to upgrade a 700 than any other rifle out there (except maybe an AR, but thats a different animal), and probably more affordable too. Just a thought...hope it helps.
 
I have two 700's, a .30-06 Classic and a .338WM Classic. Both sub-MOA w/my handloads. The .338 was sub-moa with factory loads, don't know about the '06 it's never seen a factory round. I lightened & polished the triggers and glass bedded the actions. You can do both of these yourself, do a little investigation and ask questions. Only thing I don't like about the new 700's is the stupid j-lock. I have heard that they are not going to put it on anymore though. My next rifle will be a CZ though. They are one of the few manufacturers that chamber the 6.5x55 and they have great triggers.
 
Jerry

THose are all valid points. I own several 700's and own or have owned any other production gun I can think of from KImber, Cooper, Sako, Tikka, Winchesters, Brownings, Rugers, Weatherby's,etc. Here's what I've deduced.

The 700's are excellent for target shooting because they are simple with good triggers with very fast lock times. There's a reason why several custom actions are refined versions of a 700. Many even use the same trigger and have the same footprint to swap stocks. IMO the finest trigger in the world is a Jewell installed on a 700. That potential is not there on other brands IMO. At least not the ones I've owned.

The are not my first choice for a hunting rifle although they work just fine and you'd never wear one out. But that simplistic bankvault action is not my favorite for dragging around deer camp. For that I'd go Kimber, Tikka, WInchester etc. and have something that's a better all around package IMO.

I heard the FN model 70's had chrome lined bores. I'm not into that.
 
I own a Sendero SF the older one they produced back in 04-05 great shooter.. but honestly I feel a little sketchy myself about buying another remmy.. seeing as Remingtons barrels arent the best quality forgive me if you believe im wrong but those rifles the cheaper pieces of plastic who arent manufactured here in the US shoot far better..and can cost you less..

Ive long wanted a model 7 in 270wsm but im scared the barrel will make the gun unworthy of its price tag...
 
Model 7's aren't known for record setting accuracy with those toothpick barrels you know. I've got one of the Sendero SF II's and it is a no joke 1/4" gun off the bench. It's one of the most accurate guns I own right behind my 700P in 308 that's even better. Both of those guns were produced in the last 12 months too. I know it defies those who say the new ones aren't what they used to be, but they seem to shoot just as good or better. I started buying 700's in the 80's so I have some comparison.
 
Here are some things that folks don't like

The bolt handle is attached to the bolt, it is not a one piece design.

The extractor is a spring metal clip, not as strong as a "claw type"

The action is a push feed design, not controlled feeding.

All that said, I own several Remingtons and love them. I have used them very hard and have yet to break one. I think they are great rifles and have been extremely accurate for me. All of my Remington's will shoot under an inch. Most shoot much better than that.

I know some folks like Savages and always bring up how much cheaper they are than Remingtons, but they were designed to made for less than Remingtons and the like. I have a Stevens 200 and it is a shooter, but it is not as nicely made as a Remington 700.

I would not hesitate to buy another Remington and I also like the new trigger. I just picked up an LTR model and was getting ready to swap out the trigger for a Timney I had already ordered. I decided to play with the X-pro and had it fixed to my liking in about 15 seconds. I guess I will put the Timney on another rifle.

Matt
 
Last rifle season was the first time I decided to try hunting deer with a rifle. I was on a limited budget (as usual) and could only find a NIB Remington 710 for sale. I walked out of Dicks Sporting Goods with a clearance Remmy 710, sling, and ammo for $310. I didn't think you could beat that deal with a bag of hammers. 9 shots later and I had it zeroed. 2 weeks later it had taken 2 deer. Shortly after that I decided to try some different ammo types. I shot a 1" group at 100 yards with 150 gr Core-Lokts. I've still got the target at home because nobody believes me. This from what many consider the worst gun Remington has ever made. However, since I had such great luck with it, I knew the 700 could only be light years better.

Before I went out and bought anything, I did some research. I debated on models, calibers, stocks, scopes, etc. So naturally I had a lot of questions. I went with a 700 SPS in .30-06. I had a overwhelmingly Pro-Savage friend of mine try and pursuade me away from it. I heard everything from button rifling is vastly superior to hammer forging (for hunting) and that Remmy doesn't even make their own barrels anymore. Soooo.....I started by calling Remington. I spoke with a customer service rep for about 30 mins. Here is what I learned on the 700. The gun is 100% American made. The barrels are made in Illion still. However, when they have large orders or backorders, they will sub-contract out the barrel making to select companies. Those barrels have to go through 2 QC processes. 1 at the contractor and 1 for Remington. Who knows, those may be even better than true factory barrels! 2nd, the stocks are made by Bell and Carlson. I called B&C just to verify this and the lady on the phone said she can't even begin to count the number of stocks they make for Remington. And 3rd, they don't have a factory recommended barrel break-in procedure. However, I did get an e-mail from the tech support stating most of the guys that work there use the 1 shot then clean method for the 1st 10 rounds, then clean after every other round for the next 15-20 or so. That's what I did and it seems to clean very easily now.

As far as my rifle is concerned, it's fantastic. It shoots better than I can. After trying various brands and grains of ammo, I shot 1" groups at 100 yards using 180 gr Core-Lokts. This was from some cheap bags in 25* weather. Not exactly good shooting weather (my fingers were cold and I had bad trigger work!) but I made do. It's just a matter of experimenting before I figure out what 150 gr round my gun likes. I've also noticed that because it's a push-feed system, when you load your rounds in the magazine, you need to make sure they are as close to the back of the magazine as possible. If I load a round too far forward in the magazine sometimes it will jam. The Limbsaver recoil pad is to die for. My '06 700 is more comfortable to shoot that the .270 710 I own. And lastly, while the trigger is a heavy 5.5 lbs, it breaks like glass. There is no creep whatsoever. I'm just going to have it adjusted rather than spend money on a new one.

And the best part....I shot my deer on opening day this year, within the first 2 hours of light, at 150 yards, with only 1 round from my new gun.

There are all kinds of choices out there. Everyone has their opinions. This is mine. It's really hard to beat a Remington 700. Fact is though, you just will not know if you don't buy one.

Hope that helps!
 
I've only had good experiences with a 700 in .308.

Bullet went where I wanted it to go every time.
 
ok forget all the yada yada we just read about 700 being crap at one time i went deer rifle nutts i had a ruger .270 browning .300wsm,remm 700 7mm-08,howa 30-06 long story short after spending A TON OF MONEY ON SCOPES AND AMMO i sold the browning and the ruger\ the remm 700 and the howa shot great so they are still in my safe

ps.had a T/C encoe in 30-06 it was so bad i don't even want to talk about it
 
I own three Remington 700s. One is a VSSF in .308, one is a .300 Win Mag Police Model, the third one is an Alaskan Ti in .300WSM. The Alaskan came with the new X-Mark Pro trigger whereas the other two both have Jewell triggers. All three rifles shoot sub moa with my reloads. I've never shot a single round of factory ammunition in any of them ... EVER ... so I can't say how they'd be with that. The X-Mark Pro trigger (factory set at just over 5lb in my rifle) is every bit as good as the Jewell triggers in terms of how it feels, when it breaks, ZERO creep etc!! In fact, both Jewell triggers have a slight bit of take up resistance (spring) before they break. However, all three triggers can be adjusted to exactly whatever you like. Even the original triggers in the .308 and .300WM were easy to adjust to 3lbs. The amount of force required can be adjusted EASILY on the X-Mark Pro but if you want to adjust over travel, sear engagement and the like, the Jewell triggers are easier to mess with since the necessary screws aren't glued in (but that can be remedied in the X-Mark Pro).

Remington bolts are EASY to disassemble and clean particularly if you have these two tools that you can make at home if you have the slightest bit of mechanical ability. I bought both of them rather than make them and they work very well.

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As an owner of three Remington rifles, I have been and continue to be very pleased with them. In my limited experience, if you want sub MOA accuracy with zero $ investment you can easily attain that with reloads and a bit of DIY on the trigger. If you want incredible performance (out to 1000 yards) with detachable magazines and adjustable stocks then you can add an AICS stock, Leupold or Nightforce scope, AI bipod, get the action blueprinted, then add a Kreiger barrel and a Jewell trigger ... that's what I did with the .308 and .300WM. You almost end up with the L115A2 rifle as used by the SAS.

As for Savage, I've never owned or shot one but I'm sure they're good rifles. One thing I won't do though is make ridiculous, ignorant comments about them based on he said/she said crap or make sweeping, moronic generalizations ... I would certainly consider buying one though if I felt that it met my needs.

As for the lack of controlled feed, two-piece bolt handle and spring extractor ... I've never had a single problem in thousands of rounds fired. There are folks out there hunting dangerous game with Marlin lever actions that don't have controlled feed and that have two-piece spring ejectors and they seem to manage. I'd really be interested to hear any first-hand accounts of situations where someone had a feeding problem, had the bolt handle come off or had a spring extractor break on a Remington 700.

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I have one. I can say, if you want a Remington 700 then buy one. I looked at different rifles, but I couldn't be happy with anything else.

The factory set trigger is alright, but it's not very crisp. The new models are adjustable. They allen screws that you adjust it with, however, are sealed with some sort of plastic. You can remove that with a small Exacto knife or something similar. The next hardest problem is finding allen keys small enough.

Aside from the the fit and finish is incredible (Mine is a 700 CDL). I prefer the satin finish over the blued. I was a little disappointing with the stock, it's almost blonde walnut...I would have preferred the same nice dark straight walnut that is on my 870. That is really just trivial, though. It shoots nice.
 
I heard the FN model 70's had chrome lined bores. I'm not into that.
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Yeah, you don't want to go there.;)

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I own a sendero in 7 stw I enjoy and a model 7 in 6mm. I've own several Howa rifles and built my custom 350rem mag on a Howa SA stainless. I have a Savage 110 varmint in .223 that shoots .20 when I do my part with reloads. I don't think the average guy buying a rifle and shooting 2 or 3 times a year can shoot as good as most rifles are capable of shooting. I like the Savage over all for out of the box accuracy but the Howa's shoot very well after I lapped the barrels, The 7mm rem mag Howa would shoot same POI with hot reloads with 100gr hollow points and 140 gr Noslers. IMHO by a Howa or Savage and spend the $200-$300 you will save over a Rem. and spend that on your optics!
 
Since we're posting targets, here are a few of mine shot "out of the box" with my three Remington rifles that are supposed to be a "pile of crap". I've even included two three-shot groups shot at 200 yards with the .308 ... one of them is easily under 0.5MOA and the other is just over 0.5MOA.

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Nice groups from the WSM and WM however posting groups from a 308 can be seen sub moa in just about anything with decent loads.. the round is inherently accurate as are its offspring 243,260,7-08,338fed.
 
Reasons not to buy a Remington M700

So many have been made, they won’t be collector’s items for decades to come.

I did not like the plastic stock on my 30-06. Replaced it with wood.

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Had to bed both of my M700’s to get MOA performance out of them. The 6.5 Swede shoots sub MOA, so far, the 30-06’s best groups are MOA.

The triggers were too heavy with the factory settings. Had to adjust both triggers to get perfectly clean, crisp and safe 2.5 pound pulls.

I prefer a firing pin locking safety to a sear blocking safety

The safety does not keep the bolt handle locked down.

I don’t like the spring loaded ejector. To keep the brass from being ejected off the bench, I have to block it with my hand.

It is so difficult to remove the cocking piece that I have not tried it.
 
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