Remington ACR Video (Bushmaster ACR, MagPul Masada, Whatever)

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I think that he'd appreciate a version that can knock out a HIND or close the Salang Tunnel with one round. And it has to be sexy enough to get all the French nurses at the end of the day.
 
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"...I think that he'd appreciate a version that can knock out a HIND..."

the afgan rebels managed to do just that with 19th century muzzle loaders durin ivan's occupation of that country. it seems that the soft lead ball would stick to the tail rotor, causing catastrophic loss of balance, and premature ejectulation of same.

you can guess what would happen after that!

gunnie
 
Ok,I have too agree that the Masoud(SP?) is THE ticket for me as well.I am also running a couple of FN-FALs...one 24" Hbar free floated and one 16",both with rails tho' the Hbar does not have full length on the sides.

Have to say the ACR would be great if it is still caliber swappable...5.56x45,7.62x39(AK mags) and 6.8spc.
 
http://www.aacblog.com/?p=3259

Remington ACR raffle, provided by Remington and a silencer by AAC, to benefit the Wounded Warrior Project.

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I figure at some point they will have to sell a few rifles, just to break even on all of the marketing. :uhoh:

Mike
 
Getting tooled up for production is not the easiest thing in the world, people. You see so many companies try to tackle it and fail miserably. Look at the Robinson XCR. They are not in 'production' so to speak, they are making them, yes, but that's not the production rate you'd expect from a true competitor like Remington. You need capacity. Remember, Magpul published their PROTOTYPE. Ever seen Ruger do this? No. Why? Because it's still two or three years out at that time.

These 'Duke Nukem' and 'Vaporware' accusations are unfounded. I'd like to own one, yes, but I'd also like to own a Star Trek Phaser, that doesn't mean I can expect to buy one a few weeks after I see one on TV. They aren't advertising for US, they are advertising for the Army right now. If you've followed the news, this is the best time in 50 years for arms makers to take a shot at another infantry rifle. Remington, FN, HK, and Colt will be the only true players in that competition. Do you think Remington is shooting for your business which Obama is still planning on stopping, or a fat contract from Uncle Sam?
 
These 'Duke Nukem' and 'Vaporware' accusations are unfounded.

How do you figure that? Last time I looked, it wasn't the Internet saying the rifle was going to be released two years ago, it was the respective companies involved with the rifle.

Don't get me wrong, I'm looking forward to the rifle and would rather they take the time to build it right; but "vaporware" is precisely how I would characterize the ACR at this point.
 
So, you're saying Remington announced that they were releasing the rifle two years ago? IIRC, two years ago ammo was one third the price and you could find AR-15 parts EVERYWHERE! Things changed.
 
http://www.aacblog.com/?p=3259

Remington ACR raffle, provided by Remington and a silencer by AAC, to benefit the Wounded Warrior Project.

I wonder if the winner would still need to pay for the $200 tax stamp? I couldn't really find much in the way of fine print but I noticed it said that you could win one of several rifles. Does that mean the winner won't necessarily get the ACR or simply that you get a choice?
 
No, I'm saying "the respective companies involved with the rifle" stated that. Were you unaware of the history as an FFL or did you just feel like playing stupid semantics games?

The Masada was originally show at SHOT 2007 with plans for Magpul to release it. Then Magpul licensed it to Bushmaster who announced plans to release it in the 2nd quarter of 2008, then the first quarter of 2009, and then finally the "It won't be released for 2009 and we aren't saying when it will be available." Now, it is a Remington project. I don't know about you; but to me that sounds pretty much like the definition of vaporware.

Now I wish Magpul/Bushmaster/Remington all the success in the world in developing the ACR and I hope they do hold it until it is ready for prime time; but vaporware is a pretty fair description of the ACR thus far.
 
in way of weapons announced to be released, it is not like big league manufacturers never do this. the ruger 7.62x51 "maxi 14" comes to mind, although some did make their way to the public's hands. the same is true for the barrett model 98, a 338 lapua mag semiauto scheduled for release in 1999.

only time will tell. it is better to drop a project than to sell a problem child, perhaps this is the fate that befell the barrett. it IS why ruger dropped their rifle.

..."I'm looking forward to the rifle and would rather they take the time to build it right"...

+1

gunnie
 
Maybe Cerberus can do for the ACR and Remington/Bushmaster what they did with Chrysler.

Keep them running into bankruptcy, wash them off the books, and let them get taken over by an Italian company with a US government bailout. Beretta ACR anyone?

OTOH and Back to the topic: If they make a civvie version I'll buy one but I think it should keep the 7.62X39 option otherwise the SCAR wannabe is truly what it is.
 
the same is true for the barrett model 98, a 338 lapua mag semiauto scheduled for release in 1999.
Thought those were released...I doubt that they would fare too well anyway...the AR-30 is a pretty decent contender in that market and I am sure would cost substantially less (1/2?). It just doesn't bring enough innovation to the table...the ACR OTOH should fare well...if released...it has a larger initial market, brings innovation and if the SCAR is any indicator very good ergonomics...all without looking like a fish! :D
 
Now I wish Magpul/Bushmaster/Remington all the success in the world in developing the ACR and I hope they do hold it until it is ready for prime time; but vaporware is a pretty fair description of the ACR thus far.

The implication by saying "vaporware" or other derisive terms like that is that they don't ever intend to release it or we will never see it. It's okay to do that with companies that have a history of saying one thing and doing another, but when there were honest delays that have been explained to my satisfaction.

I believe expecting Remington to keep to Bushmaster's inflated BS schedule is disingenuous. Further expecting Remington to keep to Magpul's completely unworkable release schedule is flat unfair. So, what you're left with is Remington's scheduled release date that they pushed back due to requirements they wanted to satisfy for the Upcoming Army trials.

No, it's not about Semantics it is about honesty. You can pick apart MagPul, Bushmaster, Remington, and Cerberus for lots of things, I'm sure, but you're taking potshots at the wrong people for the wrong reasons. If you're going to complain about the fact it's not been released yet, complain about EVERY OTHER GUN COMPANY for them doing EXACTLY the same thing.
 
ended up getting the AR 30, much later when it came out. can't recall any competition in 338LM back in '98, other than homegrown customs. believe sako was first of the OEM offerings to hit CONUS, but not absolutely sure on that one.

gunnie
 
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The implication by saying "vaporware" or other derisive terms like that is that they don't ever intend to release it or we will never see it.

That is one interpretation. I like the Wiki explanation of the term fairly well:

"Vaporware is a term used to describe a product, usually software, that has been announced by a developer during or before its development and, therefore, may never actually be released. The term is usually applied to products which fail to emerge after having well-exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product. The term implies unwarranted optimism, an as yet unannounced abandonment of a project, or sometimes even deception; that is, it may imply that the announcer knows that product development is in too early a stage to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set, or even feasibility."

So let's go down the list:

1. Product announced by developer early in its development? Check.
2. Product fails to emerge several years after the development time that was initially claimed? Check.
3. Unwarranted optimism about product development? Check.

I believe expecting Remington to keep to Bushmaster's inflated BS schedule is disingenuous.

There is nothing "inflated" about Bushmaster's schedule or any reason why it was a ridiculous target. Bushmaster never claimed it was unable to produce the rifle for its 1Q target date. The issue was that Bushmaster didn't want to set up the tooling and then have to change the tooling to satisfy an Army requirement. This meant that Bushmaster had to wait for the Army in order to set up the tooling (and is waiting still along with Remington and anybody else who is interested).

If you're going to complain about the fact it's not been released yet

I'm not complaining about the fact it hasn't been released yet. In fact, if you'll read my previous posts, you'll note I encouraged all the companies involved to not release the rifle until they were ready to do so; because I certainly will complain about a rifle that is released in beta-condition.

All I was doing, my sensitive friend, is pointing out that characterizing the rifle as vaporware was not as ridiculous or as unfounded as you seemed to think it was. In fact, the rifle meets at least several of the criteria used to define vaporware.
 
How do you figure that? Last time I looked, it wasn't the Internet saying the rifle was going to be released two years ago, it was the respective companies involved with the rifle.

This pretty much explains why people are upset and skeptical.

Magpul was really bad about pushing this rifle as soon to be available. Now they act like the public was twisting their arm for info and that couldn't be farther from the truth. Magpul was trying to drum up sales before the rifle was anywhere near ready for production and it backfired on them leaving people bitter and not very trusting when it comes to the mention of ANY new rifle.
 
Well, you can argue about the wisdom of the marketing strategy; but that approach isn't unheard of. There was something like four years of hype about SCAR before it was even fielded widely in USSOCOM, let alone civilian sales.
 
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