Remington Hulls in Manuals

[xcgates]

Let me start by saying that I know that people say that you can treat the Remington bulk pack hulls you get from the sport load packs from Walmart can be loaded as STS.

My question is why I have two different manuals that treat the hulls differently. The Lyman Shotshell Reloading Handbook 5th Edition kind of just lumps them together, or more accurately, just ignores them. The RCBS shotshell reloading manual has them in two different categories, with a separate list of recipes for them, "Remington One-Piece Premier RTL, STS, Nitro 27 Plastic Target Shell" and "Remington One-Piece Unibody SP Plastic Shell"

In the RCBS book, the STS category shows the gold hull, and the green hull, both with low brass. The Unibody category shows the green hull with both high and low brass, the black hull, and the green hull with low brass(actually steel). Just looking at the pictures all of the interiors appear to be the same.

Is there a reason that the one manual would categorize them differently? I checked some of the loads, and there are some that look very similar except for slight variations in the powder charge, and a say a Rem 209 primer as opposed to a Rem 209P primer.

(This comes up because I just picked up a MEC 600 at the range today, and am hunting down an actual load to put together. As soon as I pick my load, I'm going to start collecting all those once-fired hulls that turn up every sunday. )

 

[NCsmitty]

I would look around for more recipes from sites like www.hodgdon.com and others and develop a consensus based on the recommendations that are closest in components used. You'll find that manuals are notorious for not showing comparable loads.
I load 410 and the choice of components are not as extensive as the larger bores, so the loads used are not a mystery. I too use a Mec 600 JR, and swapping from 2.5" to 3" does present it's own problems though.




NCsmitty

 

[JimKirk]

You'll like the Mec 600 JR! Once you get all you stuff together, it will be a breeze.

I load 20 ga, so some hulls may be different than 12 ga. The real STS hulls load just like Win AA. The high or low brass has nothing to do with the hull except the height of the brass the internal volume and shape of the "insides" are what matter. The STS and AA are tapered hulls, most of the rest are straight walled, the black Rem and others. I would try to find one brand of hull and stay with that load, changing only after you get the process down. Check out the Hodgdon site lots of good recipes there.

Jimmy K

 

[xcgates]

I know that the brass height doesn't have anything to do with characteristics of the hull, I was wondering why one manual had a category for STS, and a category for the hulls marked "Remington One-Piece Unibody SP Plastic Shell" (from the Walmart bulk packs) while the other one seemed to lump them all together, or just didn't have the Unibody category.

I have only been buying one type of hull, and will continue to hoard only that one hull for the time being. I know to stick to loads from reputable sources, etc.

 

[USSR]

I have reloaded the Remington unibody hulls for years using the STS data without problems.

Don

 

[JimKirk]

Do you have one each of the hulls listed, if you do take the fine tooth hacksaw, saw one of each in half, lay them side by side and compare them. Note the differences and the similarities. If they are the same, load them the same, if not find the recipe that fits that hull and go with it.

As far as the different way they are categorized in different books, who really knows except the folks who wrote the book, call them and ask, I'm sure they would explain why.
Look at the metallic cartridge reloading manuals, each company has different loads listed. Some contain certain brands of powder and list it as the best thing since sliced bread, while another book doesn't even mention that powder.

Jimmy K

 

[Geneseo1911]

Remington only really makes two hulls. The two piece should have a yellow basewad that is quite visibly different from the hull. I've never actually seen one, so I assume they are only used in a very high-capacity situation such as steel waterfowl loads.

You are correct in the STS, green "gun club", and black "hunting" hulls all being the same as far as design. The STS hulls use a slightly better plastic, so this may be why they are listed separately. Every thing I've ever seen says they are interchangeable. As far as I know, Remington only makes one primer, the Rem. STS 209 Premier, so I think the "different" primer you are seeing is actually just a different naming convention for the same thing.

I don't really understand why data for these hulls is so lacking. They are easy to get ahold of and hold up very well. I use them almost exclusively as my loader doesn't get along well with AA's, the the Gun Clubs are much cheaper in the first place. I will add that I've had good experiences with Promo powder in these hulls, which is about the cheapest thing going. Unfortunately the only loads listed at 1200 fps with Promo/Red Dot require Fed. 209A or Rem. 209P, which are both hard to get around here. Alliant (and the other powder manufacturers) make their data available free online, which I find to be more useful than the books anyway, as it is more up to date & easier to find.