Remington premier sts

[MikeST]

I picked up a new mossberg 500 yesterday and shot it...it kicked quite a bit more than anything I've ever had before. Maybe in just a wimp. Regardless, I was hoping to pick up some low recoil shot just to learn the ropes.

Remington STS target loads seem to have decent prices but I just don't know what the differences are in frlt recoil between:

Premier STS low recoil
Premier STS light target
Premier STS light handicap

I'm going to try to get one of them after work so any help is appreciated!

 

[MikeST]

Or, of course, other suggestions.

 

[Dave McCracken]

None of what you've listed should rock you in that 500 if fit and form are OK.

Read the 101s up top here for input on fit and form.

As for the ammo, that low recoil stuff will have the lowest recoil, but.....

Read the ammo boxes.

1 oz will kick about 12% less than a 1 1/8 oz load at the same speed. Dr Eq, or Dram Equivalent, is an old fashioned way of measuring speed. The lower the number, the less speed, and kick.

7/8 oz is another 12% cut, and some of the feather loads cut velocity a bit, further reducing kick.

Hope this helps.....

 

[MikeST]

Thanks Dave!

I'm positive my form is terrible, since I only shot it once basically with my eyes closed not knowing what to anticipate (first shotgun, only ever used rifles). I'm a righty but Somehow the left side of my face hurt...practice I guess.

Those numbers help a lot, thanks for pointing that out.

 

[Dave McCracken]

How close are you to central MD?

There's an open invite to THR members. I'll walk you through a live session of Shotgun 101.

Free.

No obligations.

 

[Red Cent]

Dave, I have read that the Dr Eq compared the "power" of a blackpowder load to the power of the smokeless load. Most know that 3 dr eq hurts and if 1 1/2 is shown on the box I won't buy it.

Maybe it is semantics. The dr eq would fit both comparisons, right?

 

[Dave McCracken]

The velocity of a given load of modern smokeless powder is similar to that of a given VOLUME of black powder. IIRC, 3 drams runs about 80 grains of FFg. About 1225 FPS I think.

I'm old. My father used some BP loads as a boy. The Dr Eq system is obsolete, confusing to new shooters and should be ditched now.

 

[Dixiejack]

JMO but I think that the Dr Eq is still used for liability issues. If the ammo makers put actual #of grains of smokeless powder on box , they would have to list the powder name, lot #, etc. Lot of information for buyers to digest and then if one reloads and using that information off the box and the gun blows up because it is old, etc. lawyer start circling. See where I'm going with this. You would need a reloading manual to to decide what kind of shot shell to buy.
Over the last 60 years since I began dove shooting, first dove season in South Georgia (where I lived and hunted)dove shooters using a 12 ga. mostly bought 1 to 1 1/8oz. #7 1/2 or 8's and 2 3/4 to 3 or 3 1/8 Dr Eq of powder shells because doves were flying low and slow of fresh fields. 2nd season everyone jump up to 1 1/4 #6 or 7 1/2 and 3 to 3 1/4 Eq Dr. Third season when food was scarce and the birds were flying high and fast it was 1 1/4 #6 or 7 1/2 and 3 1/4 and heavier. What if we had to decide if we want heavy shot, how many grains of powder in a factory loaded shell should we buy.

 

[Presto]

Dixie, I think the solution would be to list the velocity of each load on the box. Not how much powder is used.

 

[Dixiejack]

I think the shot shell mfgs, should stick with Dr Eq. JMO. Personally I go by low brass/high brass.

 

[oneounceload]

low brass/high brass do not mean anything - that is a holdover form the days of paper shells

Payload + velocity will help determine recoil
The heaviest gun combined with the lightest load, in a gun that FITS will mean lowest actual recoil and lowest felt recoil - nothing else matters

 

[Red Cent]

1941.

 

[Red Cent]

Yeah, the volume thing got me when I looked at BP for long range rifle in cowboy side matches. Why in the world there is not a book with BP weights rather volume equivalent gets me. BP shooters get a little testy when I say that.

 

[30.06]

Check the Length of Pull . Some of those Mossbergs run 14 and Half inch .
If your under six foot tall , that's probably way too much .

The cheap 1 oz. game loads will give you low recoil .