Remington vs Benelli.....

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Mr. Varberger

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Hi folks!!

I´m going to by me a new shootgun, and so far I´m considering one of these pump-actions:

The Benelli Nova

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The Remington 870 Express

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The Nova is a little bit more expensiver than The 870, but how is the quality, shooting comfort and so on.....?
 
I have owned both, in the short barrel antipersonnel version, (still have the Nova) and I have shot the 870 in the longer barrel version extensively. I've also shot the longer barrel Nova.


What will you be using this gun for? I'm guessing hunting since you showed the long barrel models.

The 870 has been in production since 1955 or so and is the most prolific pump action shotgun in history (six million plus and still selling strong). It has more parts, accessories, spare barrels and everything else out there than any other pump shotgun.

You can put 30,000 rounds through one in a year and probably nothing will break (if it did, I'd be surprised). The Wingmaster hunting model is extremely smooth cycling and handles well.

The Benelli Nova is the new kid on the block. The stock is literally wrapped around the reciever of the gun, so if the gun doesn't fit your body out of the box, they can use some fillers to make it a bit longer, but it's basically "as is" out of the box. The 870 you can add longer/shorter stocks etc with the removal of a bolt and about ten minutes.

The Nova is light, handy, essentially indestructible and a good hunting gun where you don't have to worry overmuch about abusing the finish (half of it's wrapped in plastic). Around here they're catching on for ducks and dove/quail hunting. The fore-arm does rattle a little bit but not enough to make much of it, I took mine as a backup for a friend pig hunting (they listen well) and I didn't spook anything into charging us.


The 870 is the basis for 80% or more of the combat pump-action custom shotguns in the world, and you can find gunsmiths who can work on one anywhere. It's what you find in the dictionary under "ultimate reliability" :)


If you're only going to get one gun and want it for multiple purposes, and want to hand it down to your great grandkids, the 870 would be it (I know a guy who's got a 1956-made model from his grandfather... finish is a bit worn, but the sucker still works good... it's taken it's fair share of quail).

The Nova is catching up fast in reputation but it's only been out about four or five years.

Edit: the only reason I sold my 870 was a friend needed a shotgun and I needed money...... I replaced it with the Nova out of curiousity. I like it, but I'd buy an 870 again in a heartbeat too.
 
Thanks for the reply!

I think I will go for the 870! (More gun, for less money...)

Another question: I´m not used to the pump action at all! I hve my shooting experience from the "Over´n under" and the "Side by side"!

Will it normaly take a lot of time and practice, before you can operate a pump-action well? ( I´m Norwegian, and over here there has not been a tradition for pumps, but I think I will give it a try...)
 
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Operating a pump is something we take to easily. The recoil starts the shuck, and a little pressure on the forearm completes the stroke back, then one just pushes the thing shut again.

As for the original query, 870, definitely.
 
Thanks Dave!!

I´ve heard of people operating the pump-action just as well and fast as a semiauto!! Is that posible? Is there any place on the web, that shows impressive pump-action shooting....?
 
I'm just fair at pumping, but in the day I could get off a good second shot faster with an 870 than lots of folks can with the Browning A-5.

Dunno about visuals on fast pumping on the Net. Maybe friend Corriea has some.
 
Maybe try and get a video of Tom Knapp with a Nova. He broke 8 hand thrown clays with a Nova in 2.1 seconds. Pretty fast if you ask me. And I have had the 870 and the Nova both, I still have the Nova and would take my Nova over an 870 any day. My Nova is my duty weapon though, and not used for hunting, much.
 
I'll throw another vote in for the Nova.

The Nova is a little bit more expensiver than The 870, but how is the quality, shooting comfort and so on.....?

The quality of the Nova is top notch and I feel that it ranks with the other Benellis. As for shooting comfort, that is a much more personal question than the former. I found that it fit me just like their semis, which I find to fit like a glove. Your mileage may vary.

Jim
 
I'd have to say this is a cut in dried case of buy the one you like and shoot best. You aren't goign to go wrong with either one. Personally I'd get the Nova (have one and like it) but 870s never have done it for me even through they are good guns.
Matt
 
I am a die hard Benelli M1S90 fan.

That being said, I think the 870 is a far better gun than the Nova. I spent some time shooting my buddies Nova and it felt cheap, rough cycling, and had mechanical problems retaining shells in the magazine.
 
Remington 870, you gunforum traitor!

Hehe........

I find it naturally, to ask americans about pump-actions!!

I went to the gun-shop today to take a closer look at the two "competitors"!!
And, now i understand the "ratteling of the for-arm issue" at the Nova!

I think I will go "The American way" and by me a Remington 870 Express!!:D :D
 
Does the Express have a metal trigger guard or is it plastic like the Mossy 500's?

What's the deal with putting a magazine extension on an 870? Pretty simple job with a power drill isn't it?
 
Yeah, all you need is pretty much a dremel.
When I bought mine I made sure the gunshop drilled out the dimples on mine and put on a TacStar magazine extention before I picked it up :)
 
Can you post a first impression of your 870 when you shoot it? I'm interested in seeing how this model does out of the box.
 
Benelli Nova

I had the same dilema and went with the Nova tactical. Here's my most recent range report.

I took my Nova tactical to range again, she is one sweet shooter. I shot three different slugs at a B-27E silohouette target at 25 yards. 1 Remington Slugger, 1 Winchester Rifled Hollowpoint Slug and 1 Brenneke K.O. Slug by Kent—all three shots hit touching into a 1.25 inch group.

I also shot two 00 Remington buckshot at the same target. The 1st shot went into a 19-3/4" group between the furthest two holes, all the pellets hit the target, 2 head, 1 neck, 6 in the body. The second went into 13-3/4" 8 pellets hit the target, 1 in the neck, 6 in the body, 2 misses.

I also shot at a B-34 silohouette target at 10 and 15 yards with the 00 Remington buckshot. At 10 yards I got a pattern of 9 pellets into 7-1/2", 8 of those pellets went into 5-3/4" inches. The second shot at 15 yards I got a pattern of 8 pellets into 10", 7 of those pellets into 6-1/2" inches. At 10 and 15 yards slugs shot to point of aim.

Headshots with slugs at 25 yards on the B-27E or IDPA targets were easy. At 50 yards It wasn't difficult to keep all the slugs in the -0 ring of an IDPA target offhand. The ghost ring sights on the Nova are awesome. To top off the day my brother and I shot some aerial clay targets, using Remington target loads, now I have never shot anything in the air. After 4 initial misses, I was smoking the clays two, three in a row. I had my brother launch two clays at the same time, which I smoked easily, twice. I was just letting those clays float into the rear ghost ring, once I saw them boom!, splattered clay. My brother also had success on the clay birds—and he never shoots as he's from NYC. I was very surprised that the Nova did so well on the clays towards the end I was smoking every clay launched, until I ran out of shells.:D

The Nova is one awesome shotgun, also, I have gotten quite used to shooting her, and I won't be purchasing a recoil reducer anytime soon. Many on the board gave me advice about using proper shooting form which has helped immensely. My initial impression of firing the Nova, was that she was a hard-kicking mule. Thanks again to all.

Regards,

Luis Leon
 
Luis if your Nova is like mine it should hit point of aim at 100 yards with slugs.


The Nova forearm rattle thing is actually pretty minor... like I said, it didn't spook any wild pigs, and they're paranoid...
 
MrMurphy,

I did shoot the Nova at 100 yards offhand at an IDPA target, got 5 out of 5 hits but they were, high and left, this was mostly due to my instability on two legs. I will try her again. I still can't get over the slug accuracy, especially with the Brenneke K.O. slugs, which are the cheapest around here.

I've put in an order for some reduced slug & buckshot loads to see how they shoot. Research you know:rolleyes:

Regards,

Luis Leon
 
If you shoot from the prone or kneeling, you'll put them all right where you want them.

Remington Reduced Recoil Slugs are the most accurate in mine.
 
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