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Is that considered a product defect, or is it just more of a crap-shoot and you get what you get?
Remington vs. Savage
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Thanks for the input. Nice hog! This is kinda the way I'm leaning. I know Tikka rifles are nice and would be more than sufficient for my needs. I've shot one before and really liked it. But for the features, options, and out of the box performance, I really don't think I can do better than the Hog Hunter for that price (under $500, including transfer fee). And like I said, I'm gonna dismantle the thing eventually anyway. Only reason I'm not going with a plain barreled action instead is I want to do some shooting in the meantime, before changing it up.
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In response to my remark on scope adjustments:
I believe most people think like that other store's clerk. All scopes adjustments are not set to center nor when packaged for sale. Neither are their knob caps set to zero. It's best to check them before mounting.
Sometimes the eyepiece has been turned to focus right for the last customer checking it out. Does the clerk turn it back to factory setting before boxing it? If the next customer looks through it and all's out of focus, he may not want to check it further. Which is why some stores don't want a customer to adjust the scope eyepiece for their vision to properly check the scope optically.
I believe most people think like that other store's clerk. All scopes adjustments are not set to center nor when packaged for sale. Neither are their knob caps set to zero. It's best to check them before mounting.
It's not a product defect. Most scopes adjustments are set to center as well as caps zeroed when packaged for retail sale. But how many times has that scope been handed to a customer who twisted a knob or 3 before it went back in the box?
Sometimes the eyepiece has been turned to focus right for the last customer checking it out. Does the clerk turn it back to factory setting before boxing it? If the next customer looks through it and all's out of focus, he may not want to check it further. Which is why some stores don't want a customer to adjust the scope eyepiece for their vision to properly check the scope optically.
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cdb1, the vanguard is a Howa action, not a Remington, or was that just an aside? I have a Howa Varmint in 223, decent trigger, and very accurate. Nothing against the Remington, but vanguard is not a Remington - just did not make the connection in your last post.
Yeah mines a stock 11 spring.
Weight is 7.15 grams
Length is 3.67"
Moving mass of my pin is 38.01grams
Heres a picture of the ball bearing and .38 case (cut off right at case head) that sits on the bqck of my firing pin assembly.
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Ah, I gotcha. I misunderstood what you said the first time. This makes sense, though.
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It was an aside in that I'll take a Vanguard over a Remington or a Savage, or even a Howa for that matter, even though a Vanguard has a Howa action.
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My remark about Savages not being drilled and tapped true has nothing to do with the scope. It has to do with mounting a mechanically zeroed scope(only takes a second with a mirror) and there not being enough windage adjustment to even bore sight the scope. Reason being when the receiver was drilled and tapped it was done at an angle to the right or to the left, not straight. Where I worked we didn't carry the Burris rings that can compensate, all we carried that would correct the issue were Leupold Std. Of course the customer was given the option of getting another firearm if we had more of the same model in stock. If we didn't I'd encourage them to get a refund.
The first shipment of Ruger Precision Rifles we received was four in .243. The picatinny rail that comes with them was skewed to the left on all and a scope could be mounted but not bore sighted or zeroed. We sent them back to Ruger.
I do believe there is a correlation between cost and this issue. I saw them on Axis, 783, RAR and the 10/110 Savage series. I also remember one M70 having this issue.
The first shipment of Ruger Precision Rifles we received was four in .243. The picatinny rail that comes with them was skewed to the left on all and a scope could be mounted but not bore sighted or zeroed. We sent them back to Ruger.
I do believe there is a correlation between cost and this issue. I saw them on Axis, 783, RAR and the 10/110 Savage series. I also remember one M70 having this issue.
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I own several Remington rifles and one Savage. All of them shoot very well. Had to return the Savage but their CS made it right. Not a fan of the AccuTrigger; it's OK but not great. I've had the Rem triggers adjusted or replaced. The adjusted Rem triggers are better than the Savage Accutrigger. The Shilen trigger I had installed in one of my Rem 700s is better than all of them. I think any of the rifles you listed will do the job, but you might have to tinker with them a bit.
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Oh, geez. Don't get me started on Tikkas...they're awesome.
Now that I own one, I completely agree. Still love my Savages though. Sometimes you need a scalpel and sometimes you need a sledgehammer.
Different tools for different jobs IMO. My Savage rifles are going to get beat to hell and back and I'm not afraid to modify them in any way. In fact I just lopped 2" off the barrel of my .308 Savage model 11 last night. I'd never do that on the Tikka. But that Tikka will be in my hands at 10K feet this fall, chasing elk.
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