Remington ... you bent me over again.

[Snakum]

In case anyone associated with Remington mfg. is reading these forums and actually gives a @#$% ...

(I know, it'll be locked soon enough but I don't care, at least I can vent.)

I have owned so many Remmy shotguns and rifles I probably can't sit down and list them all. I've purchased two Remington shotguns and three Remington rifles JUST THIS YEAR! And anything I've bought that was made before about 1993or so I have always been very, very happy with. But a couple of months ago I bought my fourth or fifth 870, then another (tactical) about a month after that. And I had an issue with the 'sixth shell no-load' on both and I emailed corporate and Remmy support and finally, after eight days, got back a canned email answer that was absolutely beyond worthless. I figured out the issue myself, fixed both guns, and posted here for the others having the same issue.

Today I picked up a new 7600 (after selling an awesome old walnut stocked 742) and couldn't get the irons to sight in at 50 yards! I went thru an entire box of shells and still have to add windage and elevation with the rear sight maxed on both azimuths. Tonight I'm cleaning it thoroughly and and saw that the rear sight was jigged left about .125 off the barrel/receiver centerline. Looking at it now it is as plain as day. I guess I need to start eyeballing Remington tapped receiver holes, iron sights and beads, etc. just like I always go over my CAI weapons for canted front sight bases, tweaked gas tubes, etc.

Once again, being a glutton for punishment and quite stubborn, I have emailed Remington again and called and left messages at corporate. But because I'm not quite totally insane I don't really expect anyone there to give a @#$% and do anything about it. I'll throw a pic rail and a red dot on it. And you know what else I'll do? I'll spend my money where people still care about what an American made product looks and feels like and how it performs. No wonder the Asians are kicking our asses and our kids are looking forward to working at McDonalds after college.

 

[Horsemany]

Valid points, all of them. Considering recent years price increases it is dissapointing to see their quality spinning around the toilet bowl. I picked up a BDL 2 years ago that the bolt handle rubbed on the receiver cut out and the receiver was acting as a recoil lug. It had no camming action and didn't cock until you pulled the bolt back 1/4". They gots to wake up!

 

[Snakum]

It is sad. Truly. They are better than this.

I saw they are looking for a QA Engineer in Illinois. I have about 20 years in mfg and IT quality assurance. Maybe I should apply.

 

[Brimic]

Once again, being a glutton for punishment and quite stubborn, I have emailed Remington again and called and left messages at corporate. But because I'm not quite totally insane I don't really expect anyone there to give a @#$% and do anything about it. I'll throw a pic rail and a red dot on it. And you know what else I'll do? I'll spend my money where people still care about what an American made product looks and feels like and how it performs.

Now go down to the local pawn/gun shop and buy an early model 597 .22. I bought one when they first came out because I thought "gee wiz that's a neat rifle new rifle from my favorite gun manufacturer and Dale Earnhardt is endorsing it so it must be really good." Regardless of what people say about the 597, I completely hate that rifle. It would jam constantly, the barrel would not stop rusting, and the stock was bug ugly. Its the last Remington product I'll ever buy.
A friend of mine bought a used 597 a few years ago despite me trying very hard to talk him out of it. He's very good with tools, machining, and gunsmithing and despite his best efforts and all of the advice he has gotten off the internetz, he can sometimes fire through a full magazine without a jam.

 

[MetalHead]

These reports of proablems kinda got me bummed out, haven't bought anything from them since my used 1100 Special Field but always thought in the back of my mind that if I should need something new again I could depend on them for a quality product. Guess not for now, maybe Cerbrus will sell them to somebody that cares about more than just profit, and soon!

 

[Brimic]

Guess not for now, maybe Cerbrus will sell them to somebody that cares about more than just profit, and soon!

The problem goes back at least 15 years before Cerebus came into the picture.

 

[Snakum]

Oh nooooo ... I bought a brand new 597 with the grey synthetic stock and cheapie scope (Dick's) just last week. haven't fired it yet.

 

[MetalHead]

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Guess not for now, maybe Cerbrus will sell them to somebody that cares about more than just profit, and soon!

The problem goes back at least 15 years before Cerebus came into the picture.

I don't see any body posting that it has gotten any better.

 

[Brimic]

Oh nooooo ... I bought a brand new 597 with the grey synthetic stock and cheapie scope (Dick's) just last week. haven't fired it yet.

You should be ok. I think in the earlier models, they used the customers as their QC.

 

[Brimic]

I don't see any body posting that it has gotten any better.

No doubt. Cerebus is all about bottom line, nothing else.

 

[Snakum]

I really do have 20 years in Mfg and IT Quality Assurance Engineering and Management. I'm unemployed right now so maybe I should ask Remington if I can 'intern' up there for room and board?

I would FIX this @#$%.

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

Did I tell ya about my 2000 piece batch of Remington unfired brass that I loaded into ammo, and they cracked at the mouth of the cases while sitting on the shelf? Since I bought it surplus from the CMP, Remington refused to replace it or do anything about it. Virgin, unfired brass cracking before it was fired. Buyers beware.

 

[Brimic]

Did I tell ya about my 2000 piece batch of Remington unfired brass that I loaded into ammo, and they cracked at the mouth of the cases while sitting on the shelf? Since I bought it surplus from the CMP, Remington refused to replace it or do anything about it. Virgin, unfired brass cracking before it was fired. Buyers beware.

I've had that problem too, but I can't remember which cartridge. I don't use remington brass unless I have to.

 

[Runningman]

I know what you are taking saying about Remington's quality. Used to be long time fan of Remington. Not these days. I have had more than my fair share of issues with Remington starting around 1993. I've also seen some of there mistakes on coworkers and friends rifles and shotguns. What gets me is some of this stuff is so obvious. That I can't believe who ever does test firing or proof testing has to see some of the issues and for what ever reason they ship it anyway. A sad way to run the show if you ask me.

 

[mljdeckard]

I've never had a bad experience with a Remington, but there have been a LOT of posts lately about sloppy workmanship. I'm not in a position where I want to buy any of their guns right now anyway, but if I were, I think I would hold out until there was a bloody revolution in their ownership and/or management.

 

[MJR007]

I feel your pain and the issues are real. This IS the reason I got into Heart barrels. I hope remy is not going win....

 

[Uncle Mike]

The problem goes back at least 15 years before Cerebus came into the picture.

Nope! The problem may have birthed before Cerberus but it has matured and became the monster it is under their rule. And the sad thing, they know all about it!

Remington steadily tells the dealers, to hang in there, we know of the problems and are in the process of correcting them!

If you speak with employees there, they say a different story, to the likes of, the company does not concern themselves with employee relations or concerns...now, I don't know, but if you don't give two hoots about your workforce, you for sure are not going to care too much about your customer!

The other side of the coin suggests that Cerberus is made up of caring, supportive firearm aficionados whom are trying to further the companies reputation and strengths....
this is what you'll read in the press, anyway.

My take on it is that Cerberus is busy buying up as many of the firearm manufacturing facilities it can, and that is where the money is going, and where did the money come from, lay-offs, quality control cutbacks, steep price hikes, quality cut backs in essence of vendors and production of parts....so on and so forth. I may be wrong, hope I am, but it certainly looks that way.

All I know is, Remington has got to shape up, period! All the years I have been peddling Remingtons, this is the absolute worse I have ever seen it, it is getting to the point that the mere muttering of the word, Remington brings discussed looking facial expressions and derogatory remarks.

 

[ArmedBear]

Remington hasn't introduced a new, unadulterated "best-in-class" shotgun model in decades. They have, however, failed repeatedly. The 700 safety debacle and not-fix were pre-Cerberus. The 597, a good little .22, was screwed up in the marketplace because Remington wanted to save a few pennies on magazines when they released it. It's been fixed, but the gun's reputation was soiled for a long time.

Somehow I think that Remington was on the highway to hell a while ago.

Sorry Snakum. Maybe if you would have paid more attention to the "Remington haters" on this and damn near every other forum out there, you might have been saved the trouble.

 

[MachIVshooter]

huh. I've bought five M700's since 2000, none of them have had an issue. Either I'm lucky, or it's just the usual case of only hearing about the bad stuff.

 

[Uncle Mike]

Well...let the record show, I am NOT a Remington hater. lol hehehehe I sincerely wish and hope they get straightened up.
I just put a CDL in 7mm-08 back for myself,picked through them all and found a good(looking) one, hope it is a shooter!

Armedbear...you mean to tell, that you don't find the Remington 887 Nitromag with the awesome, space age, transformer play-toy looking 'Armorlokt' coating to your liking!?! lol hehehe
Shucks...I thought everybody would like a 'plastic' coated shotgun...hehehehehe
What's next, plastic 700 barrels with steel liners in them....Oh no, I may have give them a new cost cutting measure of a idea....oh no!

 

[DNS]

Yep, I've been wanting a 7615 since I've got way to many extra AR mags, but I'm to chicken to take a chance on a Remmy after doing some pre-Christmas research.

Mike

 

[rizbunk77]

my friend and I have noticed a distinct decline in the quality of 700's when it comes fit, and also another friend told of a recent Remington shotgun that was a piece of crap out of the box, I think it may have been an autoloader. These dudes are serious duck hunters and would know...
now that AR's are cheaper than 700's how long to you think they can keep this up?

 

[Uncle Mike]

huh. I've bought five M700's since 2000, none of them have had an issue. Either I'm lucky, or it's just the usual case of only hearing about the bad stuff.

Oh, you know how it is...a manufacture can turn out 50 years of excellent, nary a problem, product...and let one turd slip out, and they are terrible low life manufactures that produce nothing but junk!

Remington is still producing good firearms, just not across the board. Seems like you'll get 1 good one for every 10 bad ones, and the prices...I mean da_n!

Those of us singing the loudest remember the Remington of yesterday, when you got 10 good firearms to the 1 bad one, and there is NO excuse for the decline in quality and the increase in price!

 

[Ridgerunner665]

No argument from me...AND I AM NOT A REMINGTON HATER.

I've been a loyal Remington customer for 25 years...but not anymore. The last 3 changed my mind. (Like Uncle Mike said...I (we) remember the Remingtons from 15+ years ago...I have a few of them)

My next few will be Brownings and Savages.

 

[BAS402]

Browning - Japan
Savage - USA!