Remington ... you bent me over again.

[Ridgerunner665]

I can promise you the M24's are not "over the counter" guns...for one thing they are built using a long action (yep...308 in a long action).

You are correct though...the Marines rifles are built in the custom shop, the M24's are built on the same equipment as their "over the counter" guns...but that don't mean they are held to the same standards.

Remington can build a darn fine rifle...when they want to.

 

[Ridgerunner665]

No debate...one more thing to say and I'm going to bed.

typically barrels only bear the weight of themselves and a small projectile

Its not barrel sagging under its own weight I'm worried about....its the barrel flexing under the stress of the bullet being shoved through it.

I'll go along with the barrel makers on this one...barrels of the same diameter, round is stiffer.

 

[Uncle Mike]

You nailed it...it is not so much that they are utter crap (getting close though) it is that they have fallen so far from their former position.

Right...and the prices...oh the horror...the horror!
Honestly, the accuracy has gone to poopy also, as compared to the older model 700's.
We sell 700's that will shoot one hole all day, but it is the exception...the majority don't do as well.

As for the fluted barrels...purely a marketing thing. Most of these rifles have flutes that, physically do nothing. The CDL with the standard taper, fluted barrel, blue, looked pretty good, and we sold everyone we had...funny, we are having a difficult time moving the plain ol' cdl's...the prices are just too high!

Remington has just cut corners in the effort to save cash, but those corners are what made a Remington....a Remington.

 

[Maverick223]

Its not barrel sagging under its own weight I'm worried about....its the barrel flexing under the stress of the bullet being shoved through it.

That would take hours of calculation, and a barrel in hand for precise measurements, both of which I am not up for (at least tonight); however I believe it would still be a bit stronger. Anyways, the primary benefit is mostly the strength to weight ratio, at that should be agreed upon by everyone.

As for the fluted barrels...purely a marketing thing.

I admit that is the fundamental reason that manufacturers offer them...but done properly there are several benefits.

Remington has just cut corners in the effort to save cash, but those corners are what made a Remington....a Remington.

Exactly, if you can't have good accuracy, or a good overall fit and finish, nor good CS...and you pay as much as rifles that offer one or all of the aforementioned...what do you gain? I hope to purchase another (new) Remington in the future (and hope they still exist for that to occur), but if things don't change for the better, I see no spot in the safe, nor funds in the piggybank for one.

 

[Handgunner]

You get what you pay for

If that were the case, this thread and many others like it wouldn't exist.

I have wanted a 700 adl/bdl since I was a kid. After owning a new 870, I'll be looking at Browning.

 

[Ridgerunner665]

That would take hours of calculation, and a barrel in hand for precise measurements, both of which I am not up for (at least tonight)

This guy was up for it... http://www.snipercountry.com/Articles/RealBenefitsBarrelFluting.asp

 

[Maverick223]

This guy was up for it...

Not really, he did a lot of calculations, but didn't do any for the load on the barrel as a result of the projectile, nor the reduced weight at the muzzle of the barrel making the barrel have greater stiffness. All of his other calculations look to be correct.

 

[Art Eatman]

Pretty much wandering off from the OP's gripe...