Remmy New Model Army Question

[drftrman]

Just purchased the 1858 remmy 5-1/2 from Cabelas. The finish is very good, but I have a problem with the fit. The cylinder pin is quite loose and the cylinder can move side to side very slightly. Enough to hear it rattle when shaken. Also the loading lever is very loose. When you drop the lever it will just fall until it bottoms on the frame. I have a brass frame 58 that is very tight and doesn't have these problems. Is this normal for a steel frame 5-1/2 or should I return and try another?

 

[Palehorseman]

If you bought it new from Cabela's, I would send it back, have found them to be no hassle on exchange for couple of other items I got.

 

[husker]

i dido Palehorseman. my new army has 400-500 through it and its as tight as when i bought it. we shoot it several times a week at lunch time. it almost always goes to work with me. now my brass framed Spiller-n-burr not so good and is a pain to load. i wont buy a brass ed frame ever again. just my 2 cents

 

[scrat]

a loose cylinder is not that bad. Its when you pull the hammer back all the way does it go into battery tight and not wiggle at all. Thats what you need to look for. For sure if your not happy call them up and have them send you another one. If you check with a gunsmith the first thing they will ask you is when you pull the hammer all the way back does it go into battery. or is it loose.

 

[drftrman]

I have contacted Cabela's, but there replacement will take 4 weeks. I spoke to a knowledgeable black powder shootist and he told me it was OK, not great but it wasn't dangerous, and lock up is pretty good. I just wonder if I replace it if the new one will be the same way. I hate to wait 4 weeks to find out that they're all this way.

 

[scrat]

Did he ask you what i said. Pull the hammer all the way back if it locks up tight into battery then your good to go. if its loose in battery then it has problems

 

[BHP FAN]

Cabelas is better than their word.If they tell you four to six weeks,my experience is that it'll be there in two weeks.They just tell you the worst case scenario,so you'll be plesently surprised,IMHO.

 

[mykeal]

scrat is right to ask about lockup with the hammer in full cock. That's the most important position. Frankly, if you don't have good, tight (that means no, nada, nilch, zip, zero wobble or rattle) lockup at full cock, the gun should be replaced. It may not be dangerous, but that isn't a good condition and it will only get worse, to the point that someday it could become dangerous.

If the looseness is only with the hammer down and you have good, tight lockup in full cock, then it's not as much as a problem. I honestly don't see how that condition could possibly occur, but so far we don't know which it is.

 

[drftrman]

Ok with the hammer in full cock the cylinder can be rotated just very slightly(a few thousands maybe). There isn't any movement of the cylinder from front to back(endshake?). The main issue seems to be a undersize cylinder pin. The cylinder is fitting the frame excellent. I would try a new cylinder pin, but the pin is not removable in the 5-1/2" barrel model.

I guess I'm going to send it back and hope for a better fit.

 

[scrat]

Send it back. That few thousands will grow quickly this will become a dangerous gun or a very in operatable gun. either way its not good. The cylinder chamber has to lock so that it is aligned with the barrel. if it at all moves then i would not shoot it. As you will be shaving lead off of one side of the ball. The other side of the ball may have a gap between the ball and the barrel causing extreme leading. When this problem gets worst the gun will have a lot of fail to fires as the hammer will not be hitting the back of the nipples correctly. thus every shot that is fired is putting more stress on the gun as the barrel and cylinder chamber are not aligned. nope no need to go on.

Thats why its important to make sure it locks into battery. Another good thing to do is to. Take a cleaning jag. full size jag. Start sliding it down the barrel it should easily continue to slide down the cylinder chamber if you have to move the cylinder around to get the jag to go down. Well im sure you get the point.


Send it back.

 

[drftrman]

Advice taken! Will be on the brown truck tomorrow.

 

[sundance44s]

My last experience with a new Pietta Remington was the same as yours ....The out side fit and finish looked real nice ..but one of the pins fell out of the loading lever and the hammer spring was sprung so bad it couldn`t be adjusted .
Mine came from Cabelas also .......I kept mine because the fit and finish was better than I had ever seen on a Pietta ...I had plenty of spare parts so I just made the fix .

 

[madcratebuilder]

Advice taken! Will be on the brown truck tomorrow.

Good decision. Any amount of lateral movement of the cylinder/base pin assembly is not good. At least Cabela's has a excellent return policy.

 

[husker]

can this be fixed by a smith, you all got me worried about my New army, with the hammer back it the cyl still moves clock or counter clock wise ever so slightly. ps its a new army not a new revolver

 

[Voodoochile]

Husker:
When you have the hammer in full battery, the cylinder can still move a little if the bolt & the recess for the bolt is worn slightly but unless it is so loose as to where the cylinder isn't staying in proper orientation to the barrels bore I wouldn't worry about it much.

My oldest C&B revolver Pietta 1860 Army is 27 years old & has that slight movement but it still is in proper orientation for firing & I know it has had well over 3K rounds run through it.

 

[gddwds]

not sure to fix with http://www.searspartssite.com

 

[husker]

thanks voodoo thats what i was hopen to hear. mine has well over a 1000 through it to. and i just love this hand gun,looks, feel, how it shoots, the easy drop out of the cyl puts it over the top for me. i finally went to cabelas and made them open up the glass cass. so i could hold and fiddle with their colt walker and just fell in love with it to. now i under stand why theirs a WALKER club. cant wait to join it either

 

[husker]

my GI issue 45. She shakin in her boots every time i look over at the cabinet. she must no by now i found another love in Walker and am having a hard time waiting to save the money. she may have to go.TORN BETWEEN TO LOVERS FEELIN LIKE A FOOOOOOL

 

[sltm1]

I'm sure you're wrong about the cylinder pin not being removable. The 5.5 bbl model is the same gun as the 8". If you can't remove the pin, you can never clean the gun properly or repair it if necessary. This must be another factory mistake, get rid of that gun ASAP!!

 

[sundance44s]

He`s not wrong ...the cylinder pin won`t come out of the 5 1/2 inch barrel Pietta made Remington ...I don`t know what Pietta was thinking ..you would have to break loose the loading lever post to get the cylinder pin out ....I bought 2 Uberti 5 1/2 barrel Remingtons instead of the Pietta`s because of it ...on the Uberti Remington the loading lever post is dove tailed in the barrel so it can be drifted out for cylinder pin removal ....but I sure paid the price for the Uberti`s .

 

[sltm1]

Got it, the pin can't be totally removed, but the cylinder can. I thought it was locked in place. Yer right Sundance, that was stupid on Pietta's part, by the way, this is Thumper from, "Voy", the name was taken here.

 

[drftrman]

If I could remove the pin I would try a new one to see if it tightened up the cylinder.

 

[Voodoochile]

You could do a mod to a new pin like I did in this thread but if it is a new piece from Cabelas I'd send it back first.

 

[1911Tuner]

Don't do it. While the cylinder and frame may be fully as strong as the Blackhawk's...even though it's doubtful...the firing pin plate on the conversion cylinder won't offer the same head support as a solid Ruger cylinder. If you want to hot-rod the .45 Colt cartridge in a single action revolver...buy a Blackhawk.

 

[sundance44s]

Hey ya Thumper I had forgotten your other name on these forums ....Yea I paid 100 bucks more for the Uberti Remingtons ...I figured if I bought the Pietta I would end up buying the Uberti dovetail front sight and dovetail loading lever post ...+ haveing the 2 dovetails cut ..so it was just easyer to buy the Uberti`s and be done with it ....Pietta is doing a real good job on the outside fit and finish these days ...heck they look as good as the Uberti`s .
Remember I just had a Uberti Remington front sight dovetailed on my Rogers & Spencer ..a really good improvement but cost 40 bucks + the cost of the sight ....you know all about that , you`ve had your R&S done that way too.
These revolvers shoot good when you get them to shoot where you are aiming ....it just doesn`t get any better ...