Republican Ticket in "08

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Fred Thompson and Duncan Hunter.

Bring the west and south and middle America together!
Both pro gun and Reagan conservatives!
Would be hard to beat!

What do you think?
 
"They" do not want Duncan Hunter, Tancredo, Paul, et al. You need to consult the CFR roster card to see who is eligible and anointed. Giuliani will do what the puppetmasters want. The next Election is a chimera.

The real future of the United States lies in the margins and in the grass roots. The "establishment" and the "government" are a theatrical performance that is increasingly losing its audience.
 
I don't think "They" are going to have any choice once Fred makes it official...every indication that I have seen points to him sweeping the polls.

Ghouliani can't hold a candle to Fred IMHO
 
Who is "They?"

Sorry but I don't watch, read or listen to the "news." "They" can't ever find anything good to say so "they" lost credibility with me a long time ago. I don't let someone else do my thinking for me so I don't have to have "
they."

"We" need to quit fighting amongst ourselves and pick out who "we the people" want and tell "they" where to go and that "We, the people" are running things!"

The rest of the amendments to the Constitution aren't worth the paper they are written on without the Second amendment to back them up! That's my first criteria for candidate selection and the rest just fall in to place if that one is right.

"We" need to use the idea just like "they " are that if you say it enough, they will believe it. If that is so, let's get behind someone, united, and say it till "they" has to admit there is another "right" way.
 
I prefer Paul, but for the most part I really like Fred. A Fred/Ron or Fred/Duncan ticket would probably be my favorite choice if Ron Paul can't get the nomination. Fred seems a little too big government for me, but otherwise he's spot on with just about every issue. Compared to Guiliani, McCain, Romney or pretty much any of the Democrats he's the Archangel Gabriel, and admittedly looks to have better odds of winning than Paul, Hunter, or Tancredo. He's got a big name from acting, he's got a pretty spotless record outside of politics, and seems to fit right along the lines of what the majority of the GOP voters traditionally want.

If he gets the nod, he's almost certainly got my vote. Guiliani and McCain almost certainly don't.

I really wish he'd have been in the debate last week. I think he would have faired well against the front runners if they gave him an equal amount of time.
 
While the support of Paul is admirable, he has no chance in Hades of getting within 100 feet of the White House unless Fred takes him on a tour after he wins. While his domestic policy and allegiance to the Constitution is right on his idiotic foreign policy makes him a Leper to the Conservative community. He's the right's version of Dennis Kucinich.
 
From the libertarian point of view here's a few of what I don't like about fred thompson:
Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions.
Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage.
Voted YES on Amendment to prohibit flag burning.
Voted YES on increasing penalties for drug offenses.
Voted YES on spending international development funds on drug control.
Voted YES on $75M for abstinence education.
Voted YES on killing restrictions on violent videos to minors.
Voted NO on allowing reimportation of Rx drugs from Canada.
Voted YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq.
Voted NO on eliminating block grants for food stamps.
 
While I am quite proud of Ron Paul, and our Governors' stand on RKBA, because of all the people who let the media do their thinking for them, I do not believe, at this point in our nations history, another Texan could get into the White House. As I said earlier, I don't let "they" do my thinking, and I happen to believe that Bush has done a great job as president!
He never vetoed a spending bill. You can't build a vibrant economy without spending money and he has spread it around through both parties. I believe this is a great selling point for '08! He has not backed down on the war. If he has done anything wrong on the war, he should have hit them with a whole lot more.
With all the treasonous activity since the Demos gained control, it is no wonder that things aren't worse, plus "they" telling everyone how sorry "they" think he is and the non-thinkers believing it. The Demos just wanted to give everyone the idea that they could run things and TOTALLY screwed things up! I've seen their "hole card" and it is not a trump! I was proud to see the Dems get slapped down!
That being said, Thompson would bring a lot of Southern Democrats into the picture and if they are all like Zell Miller, I am for it. Thank God for people with a backbone and guts to speak out, stand by, and accept the consequences of their beliefs!
What about the Northeast? They have Clinton, Schumer, Kerry, Kennedy, and several other high elected officials of the same ilk, and their choices lead me to believe they are of no consequence to me. Granted, there must be some Republicans somewhere that put Romney where he is, so there is a faint glimmer of hope of a few redeeming people.
Here is where we, of the same mind come in. We show "they" and the non-thinkers, that "we" know about Feinsteins', another arch enemy in my opinion, illegal doings, and Pelosi's treasonous actions, and Both Clintons past, and Kennedy, and all the other anti-gun people, and remind "they" about what happened in other countries, on a regular basis.UNITED & TOGETHER!
 
Not sure I understand what would be libertarian about requiring trigger locks.
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You got me, pasted the wrong line in there clearly :D

You can't build a vibrant economy without spending money and he has spread it around through both parties
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I'd rather spend my money on my own, the government doesn't need to spend it for me. Less government, not more.
 
The more I read into Fred, the more I am convinced that he's Another Bush; that is, he looks like he's a real conservative, but in reality he's "one of them" - a neo-con, or whatever they're being called, in the guise of McCain and Bush. Just not quite as much of one, historically, as the others were. (Maybe he wasn't told to take up the agenda yet? McCain didn't become a neo-con until fairly recently in the grander scheme of things.)

I used to be solidly behind a FT Presidency, but now I'm not so sure he'd be any different. I'm more of the thought that we really need to get a non-traditional, anti-establishment candidate in there, whether it's Mike Gravel or Ron Paul. I'd say that, given how much the Left seems to like Ron Paul, if he were to make the Republican nomination, there's no way in hell he wouldn't beat out either Obama or Hillary. And RP and FT are the only two potential nominees I can see as beating Obama at this point.
 
The Problem with the Other Choices

In the final analysis -- he or she who 'captures the Center' wins the election (with votes cast only by those who actually show up and vote). I know that no politician is perfect but at the same time the Republicans need to have a ticket that CAN ACTUALLY WIN.

Fred Thompson is a strong contender, any way you slice it. He needs a strong Vice-Presidential contender, and Duncan Hunter would be a good choice.
 
Ron Paul has won the first debate.
The more people hear about him the more popular he becomes.
Fred is not even in the race.
 
He never vetoed a spending bill. You can't build a vibrant economy without spending money and he has spread it around through both parties. I believe this is a great selling point for '08!
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With all due respect, this is not a selling point, not especially among true conservatives. The government spending has gone astray which for true fiscal conservatives is anathema (as it should be for everyone else). This is what Reagan had to say about government spending:
Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other.
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I guess I am not a Libertarian.....

I would go for a Fred and Condie ticket........chris3
 
Unfortunately, THR is not the world. Whether we like Paul, Hunter, Tancredo, or Thompson isn't going to matter. These are all people who will appeal only to a passionate minority of today's demographic reality. If you want to beat Hillary and the millions of new single women voters, most of them "liberal," who will be voting in '08, you will need a charismatic centrist who pulls in votes from all four corners. If you can't handle Giuliani, try a good muscle relaxant. The way it looks from here he is the only GOP candidate, liabilities notwithstanding, who can stop the Left in '08. The pragmatist will work hard to ensure that Giuliani doesn't get too many crazy ideas while in office. The ascension of Hillary or her equivalent will plunge this nation into a death-spiral.
 
Hell Bro, *we're already in a death spiral*. If something drastic doesn't happen soon - I'm thinkin' yesterday - America will just be the name of an outdated idea.

Biker
 
Biker, I'm a little more optimistic.

Take for example the election in France....the French by an overwhelming majority elected a leader this week that openly made positive comments about the US, its future relations with US and essentially stated that they have been going in the wrong direction.....

The fact that they are looking to the US again for some sense of leadership and are turning their backs on the Socialists is a good thing and the Socialist Left of the Democratic Party in the US should take notice.
 
The problem is, RKBA is at its core an anti-authoritarian concept. Hillary Clinton and Rudolph Giuliani are essentially like-minded authoritarian politicians, even though one has a D after their name and the other an R.
 
Sure, jpk1md, but look at the damage already done to France. Millions of immigrants rioting at the drop of a hat, burning 100s of cars a night. Those people aren't going away and they've permantly changed the face of that nation.
What do you think will happen when the hanky drops here?

Biker
 
Whether or not America is "done", the next election will be a choice between "stinky" and "stinkier". Politically, it's over in America. Joe
 
Whether or not America is "done", the next election will be a choice between "stinky" and "stinkier". Politically, it's over in America. Joe
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Those have always been the choices since the founding of this country. because of the two party system both parties must make compromises to get elected. The radicals of both parties might not like that but that is the way it is in this republic.
 
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