Republican Ticket in "08

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Hillary Clinton and Rudolph Giuliani are essentially like-minded authoritarian politicians, even though one has a D after their name and the other an R.
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Yep. Cyanide or arsenic?
 
I'm also "a little more optimistic," Biker.

The Core still has the ability to turn things around--if they wake up. The alarm clock just hasn't rung loudly enough yet, that's all.

The Americans who are still capable of snapping out of it will when they see cars being torched down the block on a nightly basis. The others will go on sleeping and cowering, but they didn't matter before and they won't matter in the future.
 
I'm not a big Giuliani fan. I did find this conversation on the Laura Ingraham show a little interesting (1:33 wma file). I still won't support him, but I didn't expect him to react to either the VT shootings or Parker decision the way he did.
 
The Core still has the ability to turn things around--if they wake up. The alarm clock just hasn't rung loudly enough yet, that's all.

The Americans who are still capable of snapping out of it will when they see cars being torched down the block on a nightly basis. The others will go on sleeping and cowering, but they didn't matter before and they won't matter in the future.
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I think a crisis is the least likely time for liberty to make gains. If you look at every American crisis in the last 75 years (from the Great Depression through 9/11), the result each time has been ever greater autocracy. Our current "wars" on poverty, drugs, and terror, in combination with a pervasive media that thrives on disasters and emergencies, are all engineered to ensure continued cooperation amongst our increasingly sheepish citizenry.

Short of a 2nd (or 3rd, if you like) Revolution, this is probably as good an opportunity to reign in this government as we'll see from here on out.

I'm not ignorant of the dismal realities of our politics, but Ron Paul is offering me a glimmer of hope. If for no other reason than to be able to look my child in the eye and tell her that I didn't sit idly by while our liberty was made a mockery of, I'm fighting for the principles I cherish. I'm donating money. I'm spreading the word. I'm putting my new Ron Paul '08 bumper stickers on my vehicles tonight, and I'm wearing one of my new buttons to work tomorrow.
 
If Ron Paul is not on the ballot I will be voting Libertarian. I am with Soybomb about Thompsons views. I am pro-choice and I feel the government does not need to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her body.

I am also very tired of this pointless war in Iraq. I am just tired of the current administration I guess.
 
I see Ron Paul as the choice between more of the same, or even worse.
With Dr. Paul there is at least hope.
I am passing out fliers and telling every one I can about him.
 
I don't think it will matter who the Republican nominee will be in 2008. In several polls the top three Democrat challengers destroy the three top Republican nominees head to head. I hate to say it but it is going to be a rough election year for the Republicans. The independents are over overwhelmingly going to the Democrats. Its still early so this can change but looking at those polls it does not look good for the Republicans.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html
 
cbsbyte
Real clear politics? Not hardly.
I even went through some of their linked stories. Very interesting.
They try hard to not mention Ron Paul.
Clear as mud.
 
Not if Fred Thompson runs.:) And yes, the Dems should have a great chance to win, unfortunate for them they dont have a JFK running, their two top candidates are Hillary and Barack Hussein Obama.
 
Another running mate?

In an earlier FT thread, there was mention of J. C. Watts as a running mate..

Comments/criticisms/thoughts?? (I like Duncan Hunter, but I don't think
he has a broad base of appeal..)

THANKS!
Steve
 
Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions.
Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage.
Voted YES on Amendment to prohibit flag burning.
Voted YES on increasing penalties for drug offenses.
Voted YES on spending international development funds on drug control.
Voted YES on $75M for abstinence education.
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Dang, I guess I'm really not very 'Libertarian' after all. I used to think maybe I was, and probably still am on some issues. All this abortion, gay-marriage, drug use stuff turns me off cold about the libertarians. Alas, this is not the place to argue those issues...

As to Fred Thompson- sounds like a good guy to me. I'm just not going to get all worked up about it just yet though. As poor of condition as the Republican party is in, I do think a lot of people are being reminded just who these Democrats are again. Americans as a whole don't go for this left wing social ,uh, stuff they're trying to cram down our throats, unless this country has deteriorated far worse than I think, and there is that possibility.
 
Originally posted by fatelk:
As to Fred Thompson- sounds like a good guy to me. I'm just not going to get all worked up about it just yet though. As poor of condition as the Republican party is in, I do think a lot of people are being reminded just who these Democrats are again. Americans as a whole don't go for this left wing social ,uh, stuff they're trying to cram down our throats, unless this country has deteriorated far worse than I think, and there is that possibility.
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Hopefully they do not go for this right wing authorita, uh, stuff they are trying to cram down our throats, unless this country has deteriorated far worse than I think, and there is that possibility.

You do know that abstinence education does not help children at all and seems to be inneffective at stopping children from having sex? As well as the majority of those issues are great examples of the government intruding in your life and on your rights.
 
Don't get mad, I have never heard of Hunter or that other guy. I got my guy. I won't steal the thread with who though. I am a Libertarian as well, but a three or more party system just doesn't work out mathematically. It takes a majority vote to win an election. If there were lets say, 4 strong parties, the winning candidate could win with less than 20% of the vote. That leads to all sorts of other problems.
 
If you can't handle Giuliani, try a good muscle relaxant. The way it looks from here he is the only GOP candidate, liabilities notwithstanding, who can stop the Left in '08.
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But, first he has to get through the Republican primaries. Unless people on the Right have no problem with wanton spending, violation of civil liberties, and "more of he same" social policy we've gotten from Bush, that's not going to happen. Obama against Guiliani? Close, but Obama would take it. And, from the way it looks, Hillary might very well do the same thing in the same situation: at the very least, Obama and Hillary would solidly have the left, and Guliani would NOT solidly have the Right.
 
Sorry but I don't see voting for RG being ANY different than voting for Hillary. In fact if you look at Bill's term in office (assuming Bill and Hill have similar ideas) and compare it to RG record as the "America's Mayor" then he may be more lib than Bill and Hill. I don't think Fred is perfect, but he is the first one I can actually vote FOR that I think can possibly win. If it comes down to some combination of McCan't, RG, Hill, and Obama then I will just have to stay home and not waste my time in line.
 
You do know that abstinence education does not help children at all and seems to be inneffective at stopping children from having sex? As well as the majority of those issues are great examples of the government intruding in your life and on your rights.
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As I said, this is not the place to debate these issues. If it where I would point out that your statement is the same as someone saying "You do know that a gun in the house is 37 times more likely to kill a family member?". Depends on where you get your stats.

We are not going to change each other's minds on these social issues, as we likely have completely different perspectives on life, freedom, and human nature in general. I think the best we can do is to respect each other's opinion and try to avoid getting caught up in off topic arguments, as tempting as they are.
 
We are not going to change each other's minds on these social issues, as we likely have completely different perspectives on life, freedom, and human nature in general. I think the best we can do is to respect each other's opinion and try to avoid getting caught up in off topic arguments, as tempting as they are.
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Well said.

What is disturbing is that people continue to be amazed that Giuliani can hold such Leftist positions and claim to be an (R).

Just for the record:

Giuliani (a) is not a Conservative, (b) is not a Republican (is only a RINO), and is not "electable" due to (a) and (b) above. Several have already posted that if Rudy is the (R) candidate, they will "sit this one out" or vote Third Party. I am in the same camp...and by the way, the same applies to McCain. No how, no way.

The sooner we get used to that idea, the better off we all will be. The sooner the media gets that message, the better chance we have of fielding a reasonably strong candidate.

Just my opinion, worth exactly what you paid for it.
 
My vote is going to be cast for Thompson/? or Hunter/?.

Ideally it can be cast for Thompson/Hunter.

I will write-in as necessary.
 
Giuliani (a) is not a Conservative, (b) is not a Republican (is only a RINO), and is not "electable" due to (a) and (b) above. Several have already posted that if Rudy is the (R) candidate, they will "sit this one out" or vote Third Party. I am in the same camp...and by the way, the same applies to McCain. No how, no way.]
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I'm no fan of Giuliani--let's get that straight--I'm just a struggling pragmatist trying to figure out how we can stop the insanity and not marginalize ourselves into ineffectiveness and then extinction. But Giuliani not electable? Sure he is. If Hillary and Obama are electable, then so is Giuliani.
 
I am a Libertarian as well, but a three or more party system just doesn't work out mathematically. It takes a majority vote to win an election. If there were lets say, 4 strong parties, the winning candidate could win with less than 20% of the vote. That leads to all sorts of other problems.
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You mean like Bill Clinton?
 
I would go for a Fred and Condie ticket
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Condie doesn't want the job. She has stated that even if offered she would most likely decline and go work in the private sector. Condie's dream job is NFL Commissioner and she wants to start working towards that.

But soon as Fred announces I'm half tempted to go find his local campaign office and volunteer.
 
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