Request for 1911 advice.

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I'm sure a lot of the information / opinions I'm about to ask for is widely available on the internet, however I'm equally sure we have enough 1911 aficionados around here to bury me in valuable info, so I'm starting at THR.

Hokay.

I've recently knocked a couple of pistols off my "always wanted one" list, and the next thing I'm going to be after is a classic 1911. I know that I want a gov't issue, manufactured <1944, but beyond that I just don't know much about them.

In terms of both reliability and value / rarity, are there particular manufacturers / years I should be looking for or avoiding? If you set yourself a price limit around 2K which one would you be looking for, and where?

Thanks for any input.
 
Noxx,
No disrespect to this forum but if you want in depth info on 1911 pistols, you might want to try http://forums.1911forum.com where we specialize in the 1911. Spend a few hours reading the archived posts and you may gain some of the info you want. Personally, I can't help you on the older 1911's as I prefer current manufactured guns (especially Wilson Combat) but there are others who share your interest in the older 1911's.

Good shooting and be safe.
LB
 
Noxx: 2K should get you something pretty nice. Problem is there are so many that have been phonied up, unless you know a reputable seller, you may get bit. Get some books and read up on them. Remington Rands were produced in large quanties of good quality and may be the easiest to find in your price range. Heres another good site:
http://www.jouster.com/cgi-bin/pistol/pistol.pl?
 
The OP said mfg prior to 1944. For the slickest and nicest I think the US Switch and Signal is one of the best and Smith Corona is right behind it. Of course there are Remington, Colt, and Ithica 1911s also.
 
If you are going to lay out 2K you should take a good look at what Ed Brown has to offer.

Absolutely first rate.

Bob
 
If you have that much to spend, look at the current models of Colt, Wilson, STI, Les Baer, Ed Brown, Nighthawk Custom, etc. The current ones are made from better steel. SInce there are many manufacturers nowadays, a lot of them try to improve and outdo each other. When the time comes, you grandchildren will be amazed at your choice.
 
Thanks for the input, both here and privately, everyone.

Several folks suggested more modern manufacturers, I'm sure those are great firearms, but I'm pretty well set on finding one of a certain historical value.

So far it really seems like a matter of being patient in finding one, folks have sent me some online resources to check out, looks like I'll pretty much have to troll the auction sites and just wait until the right thing pops up.

ATM I'm leaning towards a Remington Rand, because it will more likely be in my price range at a good condition. Anyone have an opinion on the "odd" mfrs, like Smith Corona, etc?
 
Noxx, im sure someone may have already mentioned GunBroker, but every now and then i look around that site and have seen some older 1911's for some decent prices, although sometimes some are in worse shape than most ive seen. Good luck, hope you find one.
 
Good Luck

"I'm pretty well set on finding one of a certain historical value".

I think you should be prepared to spend considerably more than 2K.
 
Noxx: that RR looks like its been reparkerized. The mag has been and they were blued, not parked. Also, box and paper is aftermarket. This seems shaky to me.......:uhoh:
 
TY for the heads up Ulf, I wasn't actually bidding on that one, but I did think it looked awfully nice. Goes to show you what I *don't* know.
 
Noxx: that RR looks like its been reparkerized. The mag has been and they were blued, not parked. Also, box and paper is aftermarket. This seems shaky to me.......

I was wondering the same thing. That gun just looks a little too nice for a 60+ year old piece.

I've always been interested in owning an original GI 1911, but the prices have really gone out of sight on nice original guns. There is also the fear of getting burned if you really don't know what you are looking for, since parts are so easy to swap in and out.

The biggest obstacle at least for me, is getting over the idea of paying a couple thousand for a pistol I know some guy bought as surplus 40 years ago for under 50 bucks.
 
The biggest obstacle at least for me, is getting over the idea of paying a couple thousand for a pistol I know some guy bought as surplus 40 years ago for under 50 bucks.

Take a moment to be thankful you're not into coins then. I've certainly had the same sentiment when purchasing some of my CC Morgans. Lot of cash to pay for a dollar lol.
 
For $2000 on today's market, you should be able to buy a complete, original M1911A1 in 95% or better condition. Remington Rands, Colts and Ithacas will fall into this price range in that condition. A US&S will be a bit more, or have a bit more wear on the finish to make this price point. In five years, they will all cost more. Do not plan on them going back down in price, ever. The problem is, you can also spend $2000 on a mix master worth $500. You must educate yourself before you put your money down. The seller may or may not know you are getting a bad deal. The quality of your deal is in your hands.

What I would recommend is getting in touch with a few veterans groups. Let it be known you are interested in a real WWII vintage pistol. Let it be known you will pay a vet's widow or children what the pistol is worth on the retail market if and when she or they are ready to sell. Remain nice, discreet, and you will soon have offers to choose from. That way, you can know the pistol's history, and can become a conservator of history. If you can, help a widow, rather than let her be taken advantage of. Most unknowledgeable family members will let these pistols go for between $500 and $1000. Don't do that. Give them what the gun is worth.

You can also let gun dealers know you have cash to pay a market price without a lot of hemming and hawing. These pistols still walk into gun shows and gun stores in the hands of family members wanting to liquidate them. They usually go straight into the shop owner's personal collection, or a phone call is made and the pistol is gone in under an hour. Collectors leave business cards and let the shop owners know they have cash to spend on the right gun. Here's how I finally found mine.

In the meantime, while you wait on your deal, educate your eye. Make certain you will not be taken for a ride. Handle and inspect a lot of M1911A1s. Hold them in your hands. Read up on them. Study them. Talk to a lot of guys like John Holbrook, Old Fuff, and 1911Tuner. In this market, you can only trust your own knowledge. Unless the seller is a collector of the caliber of John Holbrook or Jim Supica, they can also be mislead, and truely believe they have something they do not.

FWIW, ulflyer is undoubtedly right concerning the M1911A1 in that auction. It has been refinished. I will not say just how I know this. I promised the man who told me how to spot a refinished RR I would not divulge the manner a refinish is quickly spotted on that particular gun. If forgers knew, collectors would suffer. I will, however, state whether a RR is likely a refinish based on this criteria that is specific collector type knowledge, and that one is a refinished gun. The seller himself may have been duped though, so you can't go making waves. Just take a look and move on if you don't like the looks of things.

Good luck in your search. I hope you find a good one!
 
Thanks Xav, good advice there. I'm going to have to invest in some books on the 1911 it seems.
 
Xavier,

If one wasn't concerned about an all matching collector's item, what is the ballpark price for a clean 80-90% gun, preferably with at least the slide and frame matching (same manufacturer)? Something with a nice bore, but maybe the gun has mismatching small parts from different manufacturers? Just something that is a good honest shooter grade gun.
 
trbon8r,
What you are talking about there is a general purpose GI mix master. In good shooting shape, such a gun should change hands for $500-$600.

The problem is, a lot of times Bubba has gotten a hold of the gun, or the seller is hoping a sucker will come along, and will not budge off a $1000 price tag.

Go here to learn how to check out a used 1911.
 
Following World War Two, surplus 1911 and 1911A1 pistols were dirt cheap... :eek: Would you believe some were going for as little as $17.00! :what:

Because of this a lot of them got tinkered with, and a popular modification was to have Micro (the brand name) adjustable sights mounted on the slide. Today guns with this modification seem to not be popular with shooters, and not collectors at all. Often, with the exception of the sights, the pistols are close to being totally original.

If the rear fight was mounted in the original dovetail it can be removed and replaced with whatever one likes, including the USGI style. If you open up the notch the Micro front sight will be fine, although much too tall. A file will take are of that.

I have seen many of these guns sell in the $600 to $800 range, and sometimes less, which is a long way from $2,000. :scrutiny:

X.B. didn't mention it, but there are a lot of arsenal rebuilt guns out there that are being offered as original, based on the maker's name on the slide. Most rebuilds are mix & matched parts, and while perfectly good shooters are not worth the same as an all-original gun. Potential buyers should use care. If the pistol in question is a USGI service pistol the real maker can be determined by (1) the serial number, and (2) the government inspector's stamp on the frame. The name on the slide doesn't mean a thing.
 
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