Resident shoots 5 home invaders armed with rifles killing 3 and wounding 2 others

[BlueHeelerFl]

If I was moving to a big city I would want to know the recent history of the house or apartment I was going to move into.
The thugs will probably be operating on out dated information and you just might be the victim of their stupidity.

Not only big cities. I would be doing that I the suburbs and rural areas as well.

My neighborhood has a lot of rentals homes. There's a lot of people, especially 20 somethings that come and go like the wind.

 

[mjsdwash]

My area is somewhat quiet, yet there have been a few home invasion style robberies here

here too, but these are focused in areas of the county where the big money realized they could get a much bigger McMansion than in the city. The particular location of that robbery has a 5-8 minute response time from the tribal police (if they respond, they usually will to serious crime, but it is off the reservation) but the sheriffs 20 minutes out, in good weather. That area has severe flooding on the main road to the freeway, and the sheriff could be 25-30 minutes on a serious call. Im sure they were aware of this. Im only a few miles away, but my police response time is only 4 minutes, or less. The area of this robbery is mostly small horse ranches, and enormous ugly houses

 

[Deanimator]

For folks living in a "nice neighborhood" ... bad news can come to your door as well I'm afraid... At least that was my experience on the street all those years ago. No it's not very common but when it does happen - a false sense of security won't help you much...

Anybody who doesn't believe that can ask Dr. Petit in Cheshire, Connecticut. He and his family weren't exactly living in the projects.

 

[P5 Guy]

Even in a gated community you really cannot control how the other residents bring up their kids.

 

[Speedo66]

Criminal on criminal violence in a bad area is one thing, but don't get too complacent just because you live in a nice affluent neighborhood. Many push in robberies take place in those neighborhoods because the mutts know that's where the money and jewelry are. A rape in those situations is not uncommon either.

Take a look to see who's at your door before you open it.

 

[Aim1]

Criminal on criminal violence in a bad area is one thing, but don't get too complacent just because you live in a nice affluent neighborhood. Many push in robberies take place in those neighborhoods because the mutts know that's where the money and jewelry are. A rape in those situations is not uncommon either.

Take a look to see who's at your door before you open it.

Also, some bad guys have been able to move into nice neighborhoods. Good move actually, less suspicion and chance of being pulled over.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

If I was moving to a big city I would want to know the recent history of the house or apartment I was going to move into.
The thugs will probably be operating on out dated information and you just might be the victim of their stupidity.

My neighbor down the hall had people knocking on her door at all hours of the night looking to buy weed from "Kitty" for months after she moved in. I think she finally put a sign on the door that said "Kitty moved".

 

[jmorris]

Local paper said 70 cartridge casings collected at the scene.

They could get more than that off my back porch.

If more home invasions went 0-3-2, there would be less of them.

 

[kcofohio]

Criminal on criminal violence in a bad area is one thing, but don't get too complacent just because you live in a nice affluent neighborhood. Many push in robberies take place in those neighborhoods because the mutts know that's where the money and jewelry are. A rape in those situations is not uncommon either.

Take a look to see who's at your door before you open it.

And have your weapon ready in case. The recent Closs case, while I'm not clear on details, sounds like the dad was shot while answering the door, possibly before he opened the door.
Plus I have read accounts of where a woman would knock on the door, but someone would be hiding out of view, waiting for the door to open.

 

[paulsj]

And have your weapon ready in case. The recent Closs case, while I'm not clear on details, sounds like the dad was shot while answering the door, possibly before he opened the door.
Plus I have read accounts of where a woman would knock on the door, but someone would be hiding out of view, waiting for the door to open.

It brings to mind case of Anatoly Onoprienko. He would break a window fella would come out checking things out and in turn get a load from sawed off shotgun. He would then kill rest of family rob the house and burn it down.

 

[Drail]

Most people believe they live in a "safe neighborhood". Hell, even I believed it for a while. Those days are gone. Every time I hear a gun hater say "why does anyone need a military rifle?" This is why stupid.......

 

[Flintknapper]

Maybe certain folks in Oregon should take note of this incident. IF they had their way...you would be restricted to having not more than 5 (yes five) cartridges in a magazine.

 

[Aim1]

It brings to mind case of Anatoly Onoprienko. He would break a window fella would come out checking things out and in turn get a load from sawed off shotgun. He would then kill rest of family rob the house and burn it down.

Wow. Scary.

 

[SwampWolf]

A couple weeks ago in Yuma a guy did the same with 5 breaking into his house. Killed 3 wounded 2

Was there a moving van outside?

 

[rpenmanparker]

Damn. It happened in Houston too -- I'm not all that far away. This is pretty much the nightmare scenario -- a carload of people coming down my driveway in the middle of the night.

Maybe I should get an AK.

If it helps you sleep.

 

[c1ogden]

Not necessarily.

If the cops can go to the wrong address and raid the wrong people, there's certainly no reason why private sector home invaders can't as well.[/QUOTE]

I think his point was that the perps were looking for something specific, they didn't just pick a house at random. The heavy show of force suggests they were expecting resistance like you would find at a drug house. They may have hit the wrong house but they definitely thought they were getting something worth the risk.

 

[6.8KT]

If it helps you sleep.

Well that's sort of a... cryptic response.

What we can surmise is that if said homeowner came out with a 6-shot 12 gauge... it probably wouldn't have been nearly enough.
If he had come out with a Glock and a 33-rd magazine? Maybe enough rounds, but probably not enough power -- especially if perps were taking cover behind cars and whatnot.

So pistols and shotguns would've gotten this guy killed.
What about an AR? It could've worked I suppose.
But consider this:

 

[CapnMac]

The comments section in the Houston Chronicle's article on this will eliminate any faith a person has in humanity.

Rather a lot of hate on Flaco (Spanish nickname for "Skinny") the alleged home owner, too.

For those not familiar, greater Houston is a sort of ellipse about 50 miles east-west and 45 mile north-south, containing between 7 and millon persons spanning 7 Counties. All before the arguments about including Galveston and Montgomery Counties.

 

[BlueHeelerFl]

Well that's sort of a... cryptic response.

What we can surmise is that if said homeowner came out with a 6-shot 12 gauge... it probably wouldn't have been nearly enough.
If he had come out with a Glock and a 33-rd magazine? Maybe enough rounds, but probably not enough power -- especially if perps were taking cover behind cars and whatnot.

So pistols and shotguns would've gotten this guy killed.
What about an AR? It could've worked I suppose.
But consider this:

Paul Harrel has a few videos on shooting through cars.

Even for handgun rounds the only real safe spot is having the engine between you and a shooter

 

[BlueHeelerFl]

Also, some bad guys have been able to move into nice neighborhoods. Good move actually, less suspicion and chance of being pulled over.

Even if the home owners are decent, their family and friends could be another story. And most people know their relations are low lives and dont care and or are complicit.

I made a delivery to a nice gated community that ended up being a fraudulent purchase. A week later in in that community again and I'm positive I saw the same dude Tami g out the recycle bin. I'm pretty sure he saw me too cause he was moving to try to get back inside before I noticed him

 

[Jeb Stuart]

Drug invasion. Not Home invasion.

 

[GunnyUSMC]

We have a good many home invasions in the city I work in. The majority of them are drug related. Two or three guys kicking in your front door to rob you in your home is not that profitable. Who many of you keep a butt load of cash on hand?
We had one a few years ago where three guys force there way into a known drug dealers home. The drug dealer's mom and girlfriend were at the house at the time. After the robbers got the money and drugs they were going to kill everyone. The drug dealer told the robbers that he had more money in his car. As they got to his car the drug dealer took off running and the robbers went after him with guns a blazing.
One of my friends was the first officer on the scene. He used three tourniquets like the one pictured on the drug dealer. The doctor at the hospital said that my friend saved the drug dealers life.
The drug dealer was very uncooperative and gave very little info on the suspects. The next month we had two homicides where the victims where known to be involved in home invasions.

 

[6.8KT]

Drug invasion. Not Home invasion.

Almost certainly. I mean, I doubt Flaco's house was just randomly targeted by a carload of armed perps in this scenario.
Seems like a case of a bad person who runs in a circle of bad persons being targeted by other bad persons.
In any event, glad he took out some trash!

--- GEM : I am editing some rude language. We want this site to be read by all, so using rude terms is not appreciated.

 

[GEM]

I'm closing this because of a slew of rather ill advised posts with bad language or trying to use ethnically imitative prose.
It's immature and not up to our standards.