Resizing rifle brass, and the M-die...

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Size with a bushing die, expand with a Century or Brownells expander.

Wilson now makes nice expanders as well

Actually, I placed an order this morning at NOE for 2 .348 expanders and the Lee die body. I'm going to have to talk to my friend over in Midland about borrowing his annealing setup... or throwing money at him and get him to do it.
 
Actually, I placed an order this morning at NOE for 2 .348 expanders and the Lee die body. I'm going to have to talk to my friend over in Midland about borrowing his annealing setup... or throwing money at him and get him to do it.
When you use the Noe expander for rifle I take all the insides out and just allow the NOE to float which means it will travel a lot inside the die while expanding
 
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And I thought I came out from under my rock when I started using NOE expanders. Thanks.
The only reason I even got on the noe expanders was the m-dies were sold out and someone much more experienced mentioned them. Pretty shure it was wdathunkit, but not positive.
 
As a follow up...

I did receive my expanders from NOE... in lightning fast time, too, even considering the lazy post office. The Lee Universal expander die is simple enough, but looking at the stock Lee expander inserts... it's unlikely I would ever use them, the angle of them seems too abrupt. I've not used them, however, but that was my impression just looking at them.

The original question I had was whether or not I needed to run the factory expander through the necks when resizing... and then using an additional, stepped expander in a separate step before seating cast bullets. The answer, at least with using the NOE inserts, is YES, I will have to run the standard expander through. Why? Because the NOE insert isn't long enough to expand the entire neck of the .348 brass... it leaves a little 'waist' right at the bottom of the neck, prior to the shoulder. If I seated a bullet this way, the constriction would likely swage the base of the bullet down, and could possible dislodge the gas check... at least, that's what I'm seeing. If the expander was just 1/4" longer, it would expand the entire length of the neck. Looking at Walkalong's Sinclair (et al) expanders... they look long enough to do so (judging only by the photo.) I could see where this might be a problem with other long neck brass, like .30-30, but not something like .308, both of which I load cast for.

Good news, bad news...

In the end, I did solve one of my problems... I actually got the correct expander for my bullet. I was actually using a .35 Remington M-die, because Lyman doesn't make one for the .348, so I will wind up working the necks slightly less. The other issue is case trimming... as someone mentioned, using the standard expander will allow me to get the trimmer pilot in so I can trim the brass without an additional step prior.
 
As a follow up...

I did receive my expanders from NOE... in lightning fast time, too, even considering the lazy post office. The Lee Universal expander die is simple enough, but looking at the stock Lee expander inserts... it's unlikely I would ever use them, the angle of them seems too abrupt. I've not used them, however, but that was my impression just looking at them.

The original question I had was whether or not I needed to run the factory expander through the necks when resizing... and then using an additional, stepped expander in a separate step before seating cast bullets. The answer, at least with using the NOE inserts, is YES, I will have to run the standard expander through. Why? Because the NOE insert isn't long enough to expand the entire neck of the .348 brass... it leaves a little 'waist' right at the bottom of the neck, prior to the shoulder. If I seated a bullet this way, the constriction would likely swage the base of the bullet down, and could possible dislodge the gas check... at least, that's what I'm seeing. If the expander was just 1/4" longer, it would expand the entire length of the neck. Looking at Walkalong's Sinclair (et al) expanders... they look long enough to do so (judging only by the photo.) I could see where this might be a problem with other long neck brass, like .30-30, but not something like .308, both of which I load cast for.

Good news, bad news...

In the end, I did solve one of my problems... I actually got the correct expander for my bullet. I was actually using a .35 Remington M-die, because Lyman doesn't make one for the .348, so I will wind up working the necks slightly less. The other issue is case trimming... as someone mentioned, using the standard expander will allow me to get the trimmer pilot in so I can trim the brass without an additional step prior.
Noe makes long expanders for exactly the reason you state... I dont know if they have them in the size you need????
 
Well... that would be odd... since the .348WCF is the only cartridge that would take a .349" etc expander. Lyman has long and short M-dies.
 
I just checked my NOE expander and it is short on my 30-30 necks. I still have been using the Lyman M die for that caliber. The Lyman is smaller in diameter but, I use it with gas checked bullets as they dont get swaged down. The NOE I was planning to use it with lighter plain base bullets and reduced loads. It's short by 1/8" or so. It is okay for 30-06, my other application for that plug. I must have not checked it against the 30-30 since I still am using a Lyman M die there.

The 44 and 45 NOE expanders I use are long enough for the bullets I use. The 44, being barely long enough for a Keith bullet.

My apologies for suggesting the NOE expander for your application when I had not fully vetted it in all my calibers.

Thanks for the headsup, I probably would have overlooked that the plug didn't expand the whole neck on 30-30 until I had problems.
 
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My apologies for suggesting the NOE expander for your application when I had not fully vetted it in all my calibers.

No harm, no foul... I'll still use it, but I'll have to use it in conjunction with the standard expander... I think I'll be OK as long as the base of the bullet isn't fighting the sized (but not expanded) case neck right at the shoulder. I'm taking the .348 out to NV with me over Christmas... I'm going to load a few test loads for accuracy to see how it does, and I might seat, pull, and then measure a few bullets to see where I'm at. If it's really mashing the gas checks, I'll have to switch to Plan C.
 
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