krochus, this always happens, you need to read up a little.
The .30-06 is based on the black powder standard.
With a chamber pressure of 50,000 c.u.p. maximum it's well within the black powder range.
Since the .30-06 is a slight modification of the .30-03 cartridge, and the .30-03 round was a black powder equivalent round, the .30-06 is also.
All rounds before about 1920 were black powder based rounds, simply because there was no standardized proofing standard for smokless powder until after WW-I.
Everything was trial and error and/or copper crush standards for the manufacturers before then.
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No one has mentioned the .303 Savage, also known as the .30 Savage, that was actually a issued military rifle in 1895 and found some success in European border disputes.
The .303 Savage is basically a .30-30 that uses a .309" to .311" diameter bullet.
Sound Familiar?....
The .30-30 cartridge, also know as the .30 Remington, was specifically designed around 'Modern' smokeless powder, which was brand new and actually experimental at the time.
John Browning & Winchester actually had to redesign the model 1894 Winchester rifle for the new power cartridge.
The name is a hold over from the black powder days, where the caliber and grains of black powder in the case and what rifle make it fit (.30-30 Winchester, or .30-32 Remington, or the .30-40 Kreg, ect.).
The round had been around for quite some time as the .30-32 Remington (rim) in black powder.
Since it's first release in European rifles in 1876, you could arguably call this the father of the 7.62x54mm round,
AND,
As .30 Remington rimless designed for use in the Model 8 autoloader and Model 14 pump rifle.
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Later, when more types of smokeless powder because available, the hold over naming was substituted slightly...
.30-03 & .30-06 , the date being the last number, instead of the grans of black powder.
Using 30 grains of smokeless powder could get you into real trouble, so the last number was changed to the date of standard issue.
Now we don't bother with the second number in new rounds unless they are wild cats of existing rounds, like 07mm-08 or .25-06, or .22-250...
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The .30 Savage/.303 Savage and .30-32 rounds were so successful as accurate rolling block target rifles in Europe that the round was adopted in Western Europe.
It never really caught on here since the government was giving away .45-70 rounds and the .30 rolling block wasn't 'Enough' rifle for commercial large game hunters in this country...
It's always been that way in this country, Large bullets, expensive rifles and cheap sights that don't hit well,
In Europe it's the other way around, Smaller bullets, aimed accurately (shot placement) rather than using a howitzer on deer, and reasonable priced rifles with expensive optics so they could place a shot correctly...
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Anyway, This is a quote from the NRA web site,
"The 7.62x54mm Russian cartridge was adopted by Russia in 1891 for use in the Model 1891 Mosin-Nagant military rifle.
The cartridge was developed by Savaged arms."
"Many of these rifles were manufactured in the US by Winchester, Remington and New England Westinghouse under contracts with the Imperial Russian government.
After the Bolshevik revolution in 1917 these rifles were undeliverable, and the US Government acquired those on hand amounting to about 280,000 rifles."
"These rifles were later sold to the NRA members throught he office of the Civilian Marksmanship Program, making the 7.62x54R one of the most popular sporting rounds in the first half of the 20th century.
Winchester, Remington & Savage all loaded the round until Savage spun off it's ammunition production and Remington stopped manufacturing in about 1950."
"The 7.62x54mm Rimmed Russian cartridge is comparable in performance to the .30-30 Winchester or the .303 Savage.
Modern Russian military production ammunition may be comparable to .30-06 ballistics and chamber pressures (47,900 c.u.p. maximum) and should not be mistaken for the older 7.62x54mmR"
"The Mosin-Nagant rifles are adequately strong for such a load, though clumsy in handling and appearance, and awkward in operation.
Some of the rifles have been crudely converted to fire .30-06 ammunition by simply running a .30-06 chambering reamer into the original barrel, and sold as .30-06 sporting rifles.
This is a hazardous conversion, however, because the 7.62x54mmR chamber is usually about 0.020" larger than the .30-06 case at the rear, and .30-06 cases may not expand that much without splitting.
A split case may release high pressure gas reward injuring the shooter.
Rifles so converted should not be fired."
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I think this bears repeating,
"The 7.62x54mm Rimmed Russian cartridge is comparable in performance to the .30-30 Winchester or the .303 Savage.
Modern Russian military production ammunition may be comparable to .30-06 ballistics and chamber pressures (47,900 c.u.p. maximum) and should not be mistaken for the older 7.62x54mmR"
Directly from the NRA website archives...
You don't have to believe me or the NRA, but those are the facts...
Keep in mind the '03 spring field was under development by the same people that designed the 7.64x54R and the .30-40 Krag, the .303 Savage, and the .30 Remington, and the .30-30 Winchester, it's not hard to see the linage of the round....
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Also keep in mind that I'm wasting a lot of time 'Educating' so called 'Experts' when I should be doing something constructive....
So keep the snark to a minimum when you 'Think' you are 'Right' because it could come back to bite you...
The .30-06 is based on the black powder standard.
With a chamber pressure of 50,000 c.u.p. maximum it's well within the black powder range.
Since the .30-06 is a slight modification of the .30-03 cartridge, and the .30-03 round was a black powder equivalent round, the .30-06 is also.
All rounds before about 1920 were black powder based rounds, simply because there was no standardized proofing standard for smokless powder until after WW-I.
Everything was trial and error and/or copper crush standards for the manufacturers before then.
---------------------
No one has mentioned the .303 Savage, also known as the .30 Savage, that was actually a issued military rifle in 1895 and found some success in European border disputes.
The .303 Savage is basically a .30-30 that uses a .309" to .311" diameter bullet.
Sound Familiar?....
The .30-30 cartridge, also know as the .30 Remington, was specifically designed around 'Modern' smokeless powder, which was brand new and actually experimental at the time.
John Browning & Winchester actually had to redesign the model 1894 Winchester rifle for the new power cartridge.
The name is a hold over from the black powder days, where the caliber and grains of black powder in the case and what rifle make it fit (.30-30 Winchester, or .30-32 Remington, or the .30-40 Kreg, ect.).
The round had been around for quite some time as the .30-32 Remington (rim) in black powder.
Since it's first release in European rifles in 1876, you could arguably call this the father of the 7.62x54mm round,
AND,
As .30 Remington rimless designed for use in the Model 8 autoloader and Model 14 pump rifle.
------------------
Later, when more types of smokeless powder because available, the hold over naming was substituted slightly...
.30-03 & .30-06 , the date being the last number, instead of the grans of black powder.
Using 30 grains of smokeless powder could get you into real trouble, so the last number was changed to the date of standard issue.
Now we don't bother with the second number in new rounds unless they are wild cats of existing rounds, like 07mm-08 or .25-06, or .22-250...
------------------
The .30 Savage/.303 Savage and .30-32 rounds were so successful as accurate rolling block target rifles in Europe that the round was adopted in Western Europe.
It never really caught on here since the government was giving away .45-70 rounds and the .30 rolling block wasn't 'Enough' rifle for commercial large game hunters in this country...
It's always been that way in this country, Large bullets, expensive rifles and cheap sights that don't hit well,
In Europe it's the other way around, Smaller bullets, aimed accurately (shot placement) rather than using a howitzer on deer, and reasonable priced rifles with expensive optics so they could place a shot correctly...
-----------------
Anyway, This is a quote from the NRA web site,
"The 7.62x54mm Russian cartridge was adopted by Russia in 1891 for use in the Model 1891 Mosin-Nagant military rifle.
The cartridge was developed by Savaged arms."
"Many of these rifles were manufactured in the US by Winchester, Remington and New England Westinghouse under contracts with the Imperial Russian government.
After the Bolshevik revolution in 1917 these rifles were undeliverable, and the US Government acquired those on hand amounting to about 280,000 rifles."
"These rifles were later sold to the NRA members throught he office of the Civilian Marksmanship Program, making the 7.62x54R one of the most popular sporting rounds in the first half of the 20th century.
Winchester, Remington & Savage all loaded the round until Savage spun off it's ammunition production and Remington stopped manufacturing in about 1950."
"The 7.62x54mm Rimmed Russian cartridge is comparable in performance to the .30-30 Winchester or the .303 Savage.
Modern Russian military production ammunition may be comparable to .30-06 ballistics and chamber pressures (47,900 c.u.p. maximum) and should not be mistaken for the older 7.62x54mmR"
"The Mosin-Nagant rifles are adequately strong for such a load, though clumsy in handling and appearance, and awkward in operation.
Some of the rifles have been crudely converted to fire .30-06 ammunition by simply running a .30-06 chambering reamer into the original barrel, and sold as .30-06 sporting rifles.
This is a hazardous conversion, however, because the 7.62x54mmR chamber is usually about 0.020" larger than the .30-06 case at the rear, and .30-06 cases may not expand that much without splitting.
A split case may release high pressure gas reward injuring the shooter.
Rifles so converted should not be fired."
---------------------
I think this bears repeating,
"The 7.62x54mm Rimmed Russian cartridge is comparable in performance to the .30-30 Winchester or the .303 Savage.
Modern Russian military production ammunition may be comparable to .30-06 ballistics and chamber pressures (47,900 c.u.p. maximum) and should not be mistaken for the older 7.62x54mmR"
Directly from the NRA website archives...
You don't have to believe me or the NRA, but those are the facts...
Keep in mind the '03 spring field was under development by the same people that designed the 7.64x54R and the .30-40 Krag, the .303 Savage, and the .30 Remington, and the .30-30 Winchester, it's not hard to see the linage of the round....
-------------------
Also keep in mind that I'm wasting a lot of time 'Educating' so called 'Experts' when I should be doing something constructive....
So keep the snark to a minimum when you 'Think' you are 'Right' because it could come back to bite you...